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  • #31
    The initial argument for the existence of Qi was well organized and sensible. The case is made(weather one accepts it or not) logically and without pre-assumptions. Also the explanation of Yin and Yang were also reasonable and and complemented the Qi discussion.

    After that the whole thing fell apart:




    Primer to Circular Reasoning

    Circular reasoning is the practice of assuming something, in order to prove the very thing that you assumed. In Logic-speak, you assume that proposition A is true, and use that premise (directly or indirectly) to prove that proposition A is true. This is one of many logical fallacies that routinely get used in heated arguments, and is actually a special case of the fallacy of false assumptions.

    Popular examples of Circular Reasoning include 'The Bible must be infallible - this verse says it is the word of God!'..
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    Here is an example of poor logic involving two cases of circular reasoning, one acknowledged and one made by accident:


    "A charge frequently leveled against the Bible is that Christians argue in circles. The charge goes that Christians claim the Bible as the inspired Word of God and, as proof, quote a passage from the Bible that says so (the author here acknowledges the fallacy)....

    ...Instead of assuming the Bible is the Word of God, we can begin by demonstrating that the Scriptures are reliable and trustworthy historical documents (And just here falls into the very trap he attempts to escape). This is confirmed by applying the ordinary test of historical criticism to the Scriptures.

    After establishing that the Bible is a valid historical record, the next point is realizing that Jesus Christ claims to be the unique Son of God and that He bases this claim on His forthcoming resurrection from the dead."

    The thing is, the author never establishes the historical fact of the bible, he assumes it as self evident. Even if a non-christian is willing to accept some historical basis for the bible, that's a long way from placing Christ as the son of God.


    So to bring this back around to the original post: You cannot simply make an argument for Qi/Yin Yang and then use this as fact in support of a belief system which has nothing more to do with Qi than the coincedence of believing in it any more than a christian minister can state that Christ is the savior because the bible is based in historical fact.

    Sorry, but you have to prove Atlantis on it's own merit, and the god Thoth and commonalities in structure and function of world artifacts, and details regarding burial ritual.



    Finally not to sound callous but, as terrible as religious persecution is, it is irrelevant to the establishment of the argument.

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    • #32
      Is that a fact.I hear you.I have time.What is your credit card number?Where is that?You don't say.Is it the only one?

      I do not understand.When is httpwww dotbbcdot codot ukdnah2g2alabasterA688287Here not an example of poor logic involving two cases of circular reasoning one acknowledged and one made by accidentA charge frequently leveled against the Bible is that Christians argue in circles?
      Thanks for the info.Ah, well in that case. That is something I haven't heard of.You don't say.What was it like before establishing that the Bible is a valid historical record the next point is realizing that Jesus Christ claims to be the unique Son of God and that He bases this claim on His forthcoming resurrection from the dead ?I hear you.Yes, even that.That's interesting. Interesting. I want to find out more about you.There is no need to apologize. Umm.
      I don't have to do whatever you say. I have my own free will.If not that, what? Ah.

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      • #33
        That the concept of ki exists, is a fact. It is not any type of assumption. It is very ancient and crosses several cultures. ANd meta physics, are indeed a part of the understanding of ki. They are connected. It is also a fact that ki practice is connected to astrology. Ki practice is first and foremost connected to spiritual cultivation, ahead of health or martial arts. It is spiritual practice and I showed that.

        To claim something is an assumption, and to claim no connection, is circular logic itself. I did present everything on it's own merits, I posted pictures, first hand acounts, and even references to historical sources, and even newspaper and journal sites.

        I gave Atlantis a whole post on it's own. I gave different tradidtions their own posts,

        All these things are definitely real, so there are definite implications.I present my understandings of the implications of theses facts. Of the concept of KI, the priciples which make up the nature of that concept, ancient and even prehistoric civilization, similarities between mythology all over world, astrology, and ancient traditions and practices.

        It's not circular logic really. Say there are several rapes in a city. Police have shown there is a computer program which is very reliable at finding where the originator of the rapes lives. It will be in the center location of all the rapes. At a certain amount of rapes, the house of the rapist can even be found. But first, analysis and investigation of each individual crime has to be studied and connected, and one way is to simply observe similar traits in the crimes at different crime scenes. There has to be some staring point in any investigation of the truth behind a given situation! It is a similar principle in determining the origin of ki practices, and the origins of the human cultures etc.

        I veiw that as deduction, or even a version of Occam's Razor!

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        • #34
          Here is a post dealing with the history of ki research, as well as modern research

          Interesting article on the history of energy researches


          From a site called PubMed, National Library of medicine
          It is generally accepted that more than 10(-6) gauss order magnetism was not detected in normal human condition. However, we detected 10(-3) gauss (mGauss) order bio-magnetic field strength from the palm in special persons who emitted External Qi ("Chi" or "Ki"). This detection was possible by speci …


          Articles about energy development technology



          Heat and electricity seem part of the spectrum of qi. It is why hot will go to cold and vice versa, and not something else. Energy expresses itself according to qi balance.
          Harvard researcher Herbert Benson, who has been studying a meditation technique known as “g Tum-mo” for 20 years, says that “Buddhists feel the reality we live in is not the…


          Traditional Chinese Medicine holds that meridians is the regulative system of the functional activity of the human body. According to the theory of meridians there is a relatively specific connection between the acupoint and viscus. Not a few researchers have paid much attention to this problem. Our …


          Qi and sound


          article


          Here's a interesting article. It really seems to be on the right track for future development. The future is in energy and fields of energy-


          Qi theory fits in well with scientific discoveries


          I doubt there's enough money in external qigong for a company to control external qi though.



          Meridians being discovered by machines?




          ABHORRENT IDEAS IN SCIENCE. Lol


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          Scenar (Self-Controlled Neuro-Adaptive Regulator) is one of the most advanced pieces of pain relief treatment technology currently available.It is a revolutionary and highly effective electrotherapy device used by healthcare professionals to treat acute and chronic pain, sports injuries, arthritis, back pains, inflammations and a growing list of other conditions.It is also used at home by non-practitioners to alleviate all kinds of acute and chronic pain symptoms.


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          It can make you involuntarily flap around. It measures skin resistance and then changes it's current and the person can't adapt

          Immunity and the mind -


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