Hypothetical question

[Garland]

Okay...so your ex/ best friend calls you. Apparently the night before she got drunk and passes out on the couch at one of her friend's houses. The friend was having a party.

While she was passed out, some guy held her down, although she was too drunk to effectively fight the guy off, or even scream loud enough for others in the house to hear...and felt her up.

violated her, fingered her, stuck his fingers down her throat until she was about to gag...and then after about an hour of this torment, left, taking her money, before she passed out completely.

She wakes up, and finds a knife under her. She's sick, but isn't sore, and doesn't think that she's been raped, but remembers the rest of this horrible shit, and her money's gone.

Let's say you have a way to find out who this person is.
The police can't do shit, as there is no evidence of rape...
what do you do?
she begs you not to seek out and hurt this person, and try to forget about it...can you?

[Garland]

please, only serious replies, preferably from people who know their legal shit.

[EmptyneSs]

Okay...so your ex/ best friend calls you. Apparently the night before she got drunk and passes out on the couch at one of her friend's houses. The friend was having a party.

While she was passed out, some guy held her down, although she was too drunk to effectively fight the guy off, or even scream loud enough for others in the house to hear...and felt her up.

violated her, fingered her, stuck his fingers down her throat until she was about to gag...and then after about an hour of this torment, left, taking her money, before she passed out completely.

She wakes up, and finds a knife under her. She's sick, but isn't sore, and doesn't think that she's been raped, but remembers the rest of this horrible shit, and her money's gone.

Let's say you have a way to find out who this person is.
The police can't do shit, as there is no evidence of rape...
what do you do?
she begs you not to seek out and hurt this person, and try to forget about it...can you?

this isnt really a question anyone can answer for you, especially not people on an internet forum that do shit like pretend to be handicapped martial artists. you need to decide for yourself wether taking the law into your own hands and dealing out punishment as you see fit is something you want to do, and you also need to decide if you are ready for the legal/moral rammifications of such an act.

[Garland]

it was a hypothetical question.
thanks though.

[Tant01]

Nope...

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Let's say you have a way to find out who this person is.
The police can't do shit, as there is no evidence of rape...
what do you do?
she begs you not to seek out and hurt this person, and try to forget about it...can you?

No, (i can not "forget" about it) you need to involve the authorities, get a paper trail started on this guy if he doesn't already have one. That means going to the police or filling out paperwork like a restraining order if the guy associates with anyone you know. Get an "incident report filed with the DA. Don't go vigilanty on the guy yourself!

It's criminal to try to forget this kind of crap. Doing nothing about it only helps him do it again next time...

[Garland]

I keep telling her that...she refuses to file any sort of report.
I tried reasoning with her, "Listen, what if this **** does this shit to some other girl, or what if next time he actually does rape her, or kill her?" she still refuses to take action...I have no clue what to do at this point. I know if I see him, and I don't even know what he looks like so somebody'll have to point him out to me...I'll risk the battery charge and beat his ass to pulp.

Since I use my real name here...and have photo's of me up here...I know it wouldn't be too hard for somebody to connect the dots if I did anything crazy. I've been trying, and failing, miserably, to erase this damn thread...but hey...only if I see him, which may be never, will I EVEN have the chance to hurt him.

[Tant01]

Whatever you do, DON'T try to catch him in the act of commiting some felony and arrest him yourself...


As the good Trooper Ness of the Illinois State Police says:

"When you sign or make a complaint against someone for an infraction of the law, you are in affect "arresting" them...I cannot recommend that you try and "arrest" someone by restraining them physically, as you may be subject to liability if you do that. Work within the system by filing your charge with a police department or States Attorney with jurisdiction."

Needless to say, attempting to manhandle someone renders you vulnerable to all kinds of nasty lawsuits, in addition to physical harm.

The police department in Arroye Grande, California, offers this helpful four-step guide to Making a Citizen's Arrest:

1. Notify police upon observing a crime.

2. Provide police with information to assist in identifying the violator.

3. Sign the complaint form. (After this, most cases are concluded without your further involvement.)

4. Appear in court when requested by the District Attorney's Office.

The lesson? The telephone is mightier than the sword.

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010220.html

[Tant01]

Citizens' Arrest
By David C. Grossack, Constitutional Attorney
Common Law Copyright © 1994
All Rights Reserved

http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm

Can you stop a bad guy with Kung Fu? Really? What the hell good is martial arts when it comes to protecting those we love?

Learn the civil way to deal with criminals.

[treelizard]

One thing you could do is make sure your friend is getting the help and support she needs to talk about and process this, with professionals.

[Tom Yum]

Okay...so your ex/ best friend calls you. Apparently the night before she got drunk and passes out on the couch at one of her friend's houses. The friend was having a party.

While she was passed out, some guy held her down, although she was too drunk to effectively fight the guy off, or even scream loud enough for others in the house to hear...and felt her up.

violated her, fingered her, stuck his fingers down her throat until she was about to gag...and then after about an hour of this torment, left, taking her money, before she passed out completely.

She wakes up, and finds a knife under her. She's sick, but isn't sore, and doesn't think that she's been raped, but remembers the rest of this horrible shit, and her money's gone.

Let's say you have a way to find out who this person is.
The police can't do shit, as there is no evidence of rape...
what do you do?
she begs you not to seek out and hurt this person, and try to forget about it...can you?

This is totally fucked up

First thing for you to do is to get her some help. She needs professionals who can help her workout these emotions and hopefully restore her peace. You were an ex-priest, right? Hook her up with some spiritual and psychological counsel ASAP.

The rest is up to you.....personally, I'd approach the guy and have a man to man talk with him. Approach it on a moral level first, get a dialogue and if it doesn't reach him (it probably won't), then you need to step it up.

[Tant01]

FBI tactics might get close to the subject in question, gain their trust and then bust them at just the right moment...

Maybe you guys should become best friends... first. Take the long road. The short road might just land you in jail or worse...

All the best...

[osopardo]

...pretend to be handicapped martial artists....

now hold on there... I am so too handicapped!

[osopardo]

Forget your anger and outrage for a moment, how does keeping quiet about what you've learned of this incident fit in with your moral framework? It may be her problem but she's shared it with you and that means you're involved, whether she likes it or not. She has no right at this point to ask you to not to do anything about what you've just learned, especially if you know that to do nothing is just plain WRONG.

Contact the local authorities, speak to a detective and file an anonymous complaint, telling them everything you know. Let the authorities take it from there.