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  • #31
    Originally posted by J-Luck
    I have proved it.
    Only in your head mate.

    Originally posted by J-Luck
    Our Independence day(the holiday) is based on 1776... for a reason
    Yeah, it's call dellusion.

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    • #32
      Okay, so what makes it a country? This definition has been used: A country can coin it's own money, raise taxes, and defend its soveriengty.



      Hypothetically, if I, some guy named Spanky and Thai Bri go off and find a deserted island in the Pacific and declare independance, We could probably do all those things just as long as no bigger countries cared to bother with us (which might be forever as long they don't want their island for anything)

      Does that make us a country?


      Is Tibet a country?


      Are the Palestinians the holders of a country?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by gregimotis
        Okay, so what makes it a country? This definition has been used: A country can coin it's own money, raise taxes, and defend its soveriengty.
        That definition is naff innit. defending soveringty is a relative, no country can do that against an ICBM not even USA. So by that definition no countries are actually countries. No country can even raise due taxes from 100% of the elligible population but plenty of criminal gangs can tax at least somebody, would that make them countries??? Madness mate. Try for another definition.

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        • #34
          First off what is ICBM?????

          Definition of Country: The territory of a nation or state.

          Nation: A people who share common customs, origins, history, and frequently language; a nationality

          State: The supreme public power within a sovereign political entity

          Sovereign: One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit

          Hmmm... I'm thinking we were independent... lol

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          • #35
            Originally posted by nutter
            Shooting a US president is contributing to society innit.
            Nutter it's comments like that that justify losing public forums like this. It's comments like that from people like you that get people like you in very hot water. And if you're lucky, all you'll get is arrested.

            If people would consider that the POTUS has a million times more intel that is a thousand times more reliable than what anyone else has or can get, they might understand some of his actions. The media is not going to tell us everything, in fact they, if anything, don't know but maybe a smidgeon of the truth. The media is known for dishonesty and lies.

            And you complain about trolls and spammers and the like, when you want to discuss martial arts? I may not know anything about martial arts, but I do know that the discussion you have brought up only gives martial arts forums a very bad taste in the mouths of newbies like myself.

            I come here to learn the good stuff, not learn how people like you appreciate violence against leaders.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by ck5
              It's comments like that from people like you that get people like you in very hot water. And if you're lucky, all you'll get is arrested.
              ///waffle///
              I come here to learn the good stuff, not learn how people like you appreciate violence against leaders.
              Lol mate, you trying to come across as a pillock or sonething mate? Arrested for saying that? Get a life mate. And let's not forget that the US was actively trying to assassinate Saddam Hussein at a time right.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by J-Luck
                First off what is ICBM?????
                Intercontinental Ballistic Missile mate, those nuclear weapons that France, Russia, Britain and China all have that could obliterate USA at the touch of a button mate. The only credible defence is deterence. If China or France launched its ICBMs against America then no, America couldn't "defend its soveignty" mate.

                Originally posted by J-Luck
                Sovereign: One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit
                So you are saying that the revolutionries exercised supreme and perminant authority, even with a British Governer in place and a small army wandering around the country??? lol.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by nutter
                  Intercontinental Ballistic Missile mate, those nuclear weapons that France, Russia, Britain and China all have that could obliterate USA at the touch of a button mate. The only credible defence is deterence. If China or France launched its ICBMs against America then no, America couldn't "defend its soveignty" mate.

                  So you are saying that the revolutionries exercised supreme and perminant authority, even with a British Governer in place and a small army wandering around the country??? lol.

                  What you meant to say was with the Governor taken from power and made to look like a fool and a large army meeting and defeating the British... lol.

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                  • #39
                    Yes we could against those missiles. Not only do we have more, many more than most countries combined, but we also have missile defense.
                    Surface to air, air to air interceptors. You must get your facts straight "mate".
                    It's like that "right".

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                    • #40
                      while this is a stupid thread


                      even if the US was hit with ICBM's we could still defend our country. That is the doctrine of mutually assured destruction.

                      France does not have enough, nor china to blanket the US. Britian doesn't control their own nukes anymore, I'm not sure france does either. I believe they gave them over the the U.N. funny, since that is based in the US.

                      Russia and the US could both destroy eachother but it would serve no purpose.

                      China can only hit california from the latest I heard. But I don't have access to the latest intel.

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                      • #41
                        J-Luck and Excessive force you are both quite wrong on the ICBM count mates.

                        J-Luck re "missile defence". The US does NOT have a credible way of intercepting incoming ICBMs at this time. The chances of a jet intercepting one are about zero, Patriot is nowhere near guarenteed and Airborne laser couldn't be scrambled in time.

                        Excessive force. You are grossly underestimating the devastation caused by nuclear weapons mate. Each ICBM carries multiple warheads remember, each one many times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb. One on New York would pretty much bankrupt USA, quite aside from the human element. You don't have to blanket a country to do it over in nuclear warfare.

                        A deterent DETERS attack, but if it really happens, USA would still be all but obliterated even if only a fraction of the ICBMs got through.

                        And China has ICBMs deployed on a nuclear powered submarine just like everyone elses'. They can hit literally anywhere in the world mate.

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                        • #42
                          Exessive is correct(see nutterbutter, i'm not alone) and on top of what he said we also have missile defense capabilities far above any other country, and we can also detect them long before they hit us... so I'm thinking even hitting us would be an issue for any country.

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                          • #43
                            Our planes COULD take them down, you are misunderstood, also our surface to air could if need be. And yes one nuclear missile would be devestating, but would not be the ruin of America... that is a farse.

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                            • #44
                              J-Luck, please tell us what US planes can intercept incoming ICBMs that are travelling at like 9,000mph?

                              And what operational US missile system can stop them mate? The simple answer is none innit.

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                              • #45
                                No,that's not the answer. I have friends in the Marines, Army, Airforce, and Navy, and I'm aware of our capabilities. I'm not sure of the exact models and such, but I do know THEY(my friends, being much more qualified than me) have told me we have such technology, and only a few other countries have technology approaching it. I will look it up for you so I can post with more info.

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