This is all Clintons fault

[Masala]

For those of you living in California, just remember; these power woes are Clintons fault. If he had opened up the artic wildlife reduge to oil drilling, like George will do, you wouldn't be having these problems.

""This is a time for change," said Republican Sen. Pete Domenici of New Mexico, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. "We don't need more of the last eight years. We need somebody who will balance it better so we won't have the kind of crisis that's occurring in California in all of America."


See??? If we don't have a more balanced approach that includes giving a lot more land for the timber companies, a lot more land for cattle interests, a lot more land for Oil and Mineral mining, there will be rolling blackouts across the U.S.!

""At the helm of the Interior Department, Norton was expected to lead the charge to open Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and natural gas drilling. Norton has also promised to review regulations and conservation actions taken by the Clinton administration to protect public lands and reduce industrial emissions."

Yes, review those regulations!!! Damn CLinton! Trying to keep industrial emissions down so our kids can breath clean air....at the expense of profit?? what a dip shit!

Thank goodness for George W.

[Edited by Masala on 01-30-2001 at 09:11 AM]

[Robbie]

True.

[Masala]

I'm glad you agree Robbie.

It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that all these regulations are killing profits and productivity. The economy has sucked for the last 8 years!

Don't these Demon-crats know that the earth is round? Umm round doesn't end people... DUH! We can't run out of resources because it goes on and on!

George is busy uniting us, and all these liberals can do is bitch and moan about it.

[Tony10]

Nice hustle, Masala. I'm predicting 100+ for this one...

[Robbie]

Plus did everyone hear about the clinton administration vandalizing the whitehouse?

[bobby_steeles]

yeah, that tells you about what kind of man he is, to allow that kind of shit to go on in the white house. no wonder he had the chinese in their to pal around with. then him and his aides and that nasty looking dike hillary stole all the silverware and pillows off of air force one. what a scumbag.

[dan downard]

Good for Clinton.Oil wont help Cali out of their lack of electricity.They should have been taking care of that themselves 30 yrs ago.We are going to breach the dams on the Columbia and our electricity will supply Ore ,Wash and Idaho only.We only need half the water we are using for electric if we just take care of ourselves only.Besides.California is going to fall into the ocean anyway.Then the illegals will have to swim up here.

[War Pig]

Masala, why are you posting that stupid shit here?

What is your purpose? There a plenty of political forums out there for you to troll.

Why are you doing it here?

[fascistfury]

masala - good post!

warpiggie - i think masala's point was to enlighten you, dear boy...and to maybe gauge your opinion on the matter...so what is your opinion on the matter?

bobby - am i sensing some bitter resentment about hillary moving to NY and immediateely winning their senate chair? sounds like she's quite a popular girl...for a dike, that is.

[John Bennett]

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[Kimpatsu]

For those of you living in California, just remember; these power woes are Clintons fault. If he had opened up the artic wildlife reduge to oil drilling, like George will do, you wouldn't be having these problems.[Edited by Masala on 01-30-2001 at 09:11 AM]

What a bunch of shit.
The California power problems are caused by a Republican dogma to privatise the utilities. Never mind the fact that, as they're in it for profit, the privatised utilities will not upgrade such desperately underfunded areas as the basic nuts and bolts (the failure of which caused the New England blackout), because a) it's not sexy (i.e., headline-grabbing) enough, and b) because it's not profitable.
Opening up the Arctic Reserve will result in the extinction of many endangered species, and ruin what little remains of the world's (and particularly, the US's) natural habitats. If you want to open up the Reserve to drilling, then you personally should be forced to drink all the waste, before it enters the environment. Of course, that will result in your quick and painful death, but who cares, if you don't care enough for others to consider the long-term results of your personal short-sighted selfishness? Or do you think there's a difference...?
What the world really needs is a shift to sustainable energy, such as wind and tidal power. Wind farms are ideal for the Califorinan coast, but no one builds them, because America is in thrall to the big bucks of the oil corporations. Get this, people: the oil conglomerates are NOT your friend. They are screwing you for overpriced gas, when you could be driving cheaper, clean hydrogen cars and heating your homes for free.
And you call us liberals stupid...?!

[Kimpatsu]

Wow, I didn't know that any kind power utility had sexual appeal.

I think that's just something you have on the brain.

The problems in California were due to the lack of construction of new power plants as a result of excessive environmental regulations, nothing to do with the big electricity.

Rubbish. How can you have too much environmental regulation?
New power plants aren't being constructed because the investment is too great over the projected short-term returns. Power supply, however, needs to be treated as a service, rather than a way of making money. That way, the New York blackout wouldn't have happened, either.

No. Do you know that one station can drill down and out so a huge area can be tapped with only a few stations? You do know that animals can co-exist with humans and what are a few stations in thousands of square miles? Keep in mind that there’d be less money going to the Saudi’s for oil if were to drill in Alaska. The modern world runs on oil and if we stop pumping it immediately it will grind to a screeching halt.

One station i nthe pristine wilderness is one too many. And as to the world running on oil, that's the problem, not the solution. Oil supplies are finite, anyway, so this profligacy cannot continue indefinitely. Hence the immediate need for investment in renewable power.

I'm all for wind farms but in Massachusetts all the liberals don't want to build one off the coast on the cape because it will ruin their view. As far as hydrogen cars they're not cheep or a viable option...if they were we'd be driving them right now. Bush has put more than a billion of government money to help develop this option despite the fact that you claim that he's in the pocket of "big oil".

I agree, the problem of nimbyism isn't confiend to Mass.; it exists in Wales and Scotland, too. As for hydrogen cars, they already have been developed, but the reason for their high costs ($3 million per vehicle) at the moment is the lack of mass production.
Oh, and Bush pulled funding into hydrogen cars at the crucial moment, on the say-so of his oil-drenched backers.

You do know that oil is responsible for plastics, petrochemicals, pavement, energy and so much more?

Yes. And, as I'm saying, that's a problem. Hence the need for alternatives.

Yes, I wonder why.

Because ad hominem is soooo much easier than constructive argument.

[MatthewAlphonso]

Why bother with this stuff? we're all going to die, mother earth will go on, probably won't mind us being gone either, we're like fleas. She's probably already in the process of getting rid of us (perhaps a convenient, sexually transmitted disease, makes us wary to reproduce, and one that could destroy the immune system, it will only have to do half of the work ).

Arguing about these things only makes the both of you look like idiots.

We all know that Oil Barons have (for quite a long time) quashed almost all of the alternative energy sources (usually by buying them up). So, lets stop bickering and start deciding how we can fix this. There's no point arguing, do you really expect to turn the other person to your view, not gonna happen

[Kimpatsu]

Well that sit back and wait to here my solution to this so-called problem even though you're doing your fare share of arguing, idiot.

Another ad hominem. Not a good start.

- build more nuclear power plants

Dangerous (remember Three Mile Island and Chernobyl?), and expensive. (It costs more to dispose of nuclear than conventional waste, and the burial site is uninhabitable for 10,000 years.)

- drill for oil in Alaska

Will destroy the environment, which is local habitat for unique flora and fauna (thereby reducing biodiversity and aacelerating mass estinction events), and will leave both society dependent on polluting fossil fuels, and the greedy businesses that have a stranglehold on the oil industry.

- investigate geothermal heating for volcanic areas (iceland does it)

Great idea. This one is a goody. (Iceland not only has enough geothermal power for its own needs, it exports its surplus to northern Europe.

continue government funding for other alternative energy systems such as
- hydrogen power
- that corn mixture of stuff

Hydrogen-powered cars are good and ready to go; they just need to be mass-produced, which will reduce their cost to affordable levels from their current $3 million price tag.
I don't know about the USA, but corn (i.e., starch)-based fuels are illegal in the UK, as running a car on them instead of oil robs the Treasury of revenue. (So, once again, we have corrupt politicians and big business cronyism looking out for their own.)

- install turbines along the coast to harvest the energy of the sea

Excellent idea. Look at New Zealand. We need more hydroelectric farms in Europe, too.

- stop federal aid to states with excessive regulation such as California

That would punish those Californians least able to bear the brunt; better to institute laws at the federal level that would end excessive regulation. (If this is, indeed, the case; could you cite specific examples? TIA.)

- install wind farms off the cape

Another excellent idea; we need more wind farms everywhere.

Kimpatsu, I'll address your concerns later.

I think you've done most of that, already, thanks.
To your list, I would add investment, encouragement, and subsidies for photovoltaic cells. One man in Britain converted his roof to solar panels at his own expense, and now sells his surplus energy back to the power company. The company doesn't like that, however; it's aim is to sell electricity, not buy it, so they keep lobbying the government to make solar panels illegal, and they give the man in question a hard time in general.

[MatthewAlphonso]

Very good ideas, about the Hydroelectric plants, I saw a plan for a turbine that would provide energy both on the intake of water and on the outflow (very interesting).

Also to the list, I would add additional funding into fusion technology, I know it would be dangerous us the beginning, but could you imagine a Fission and fusion plant together? a constantly self renwing energy source.

Also, since we can make hydrogen powered cars, couldn't we do this on a larger scale and make a hydrogen energy plant?