If you thought Katrina was bad

[Garland]

Wait until they pass this shit South-side...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/

http://www.gawker.com/news/polls/the-transfat-ban-whats-next-219465.php

It'd be just as bad in Utah...
If they tried to take away drive through fudge out in some parts of Utah...you'd end up with Mo-riots. Imagine a bunch of white picket fence drone house dwelling missionary look-alikes storming the capital building looking like zombies moaning for Krispy Kreme.

[Garland]

The one benefit I can see is the disruption of the Mormon mating ritual, which invariable involves a trip to 31 Flavors or Snelgrove's...take that away, and the Mormon population might plummet. I read something similar about how this shit happens if you do it to birds in an ecology class, so it must be true.

If anyone's offended...to bad. Nobody bitched when people made fun of Heaven's Gate.

*snap*

[Sagacious Lu]

Do you realize that under that law New Yorkers can still buy all the same foods they can with out it, and that there will be no difference in flavor? Nothing is actually being banned. Anyone that doesn't read about the law and that doesn't work in the food industry won't notice that anything has changed, they'll just have lower cholesterol.

[gregimotis]

Do you realize that under that law New Yorkers can still buy all the same foods they can with out it, and that there will be no difference in flavor? Nothing is actually being banned. Anyone that doesn't read about the law and that doesn't work in the food industry won't notice that anything has changed, they'll just have lower cholesterol.

Same with the new lard law, the raw sugar law, the excessive salt law.

Also, the high impact sports law, driving faster than 55mph law (revisited), four-point harness/child safety seats for everyone law. No toy guns, No candies which can be choked on, no shoes whith heels high enough to hurt your ankles, no shirts which cause undo boobage to distract drivers. NO ATV's, no motorcycles. As a matter of fact, buses and trains only, no cars driven by non-state employees.

Don't forget - mandatory sunglasses, sunscreen, no running with scissors, no eating more than 1500 calories/day without a permit unless on specified holidays. Mandatory carpal tunnel screening, flu shots, tetnus shots, prostate exams and breast cancer screening quarterly at work.

NO teaching martial arts without a state license and annual renewal. No headbutting, kicking a guy while he's down, certainly no eye-gouging or fish hooking. NO Playing with objects which appear to be knives. NO guns, NO batons, NO mace, pepper, No throwing sand, sticks, rocks or chi fireballs. Sixteen ounce gloves only, and then only under adult supervision and no hitting to the head. Absolutely NO rough housing.

[Tom Yum]

no shirts which cause undo boobage to distract drivers.

Undo b00bage doesn't just distract drivers, it causes certain kinds of men (i.e. breathing w pulse) to approach them for various reasons.

[Blue Wave Gym]

various reasons lol

Undo b00bage doesn't just distract drivers, it causes certain kinds of men (i.e. breathing w pulse) to approach them for various reasons.

More like one reason Tom

[Blue Wave Gym]

cults

i submit that mormonism,jahovas witnesses scientologist etc ar cults.
I also submit that the pro gay: episcaple,anglican,presberterian,united methodist, unitairinan and e.l.c.a. lutherns(they use offering dollars to pay for abortians) are not churches any more
if you're for gay marriage/unions/think homosexuality is ok/ think abortion is fine you are just nuts.
Any thing I do is just fine because I say so is not a religion
A religion has standards that don't change or it's not a religion and is pointless then. Recently I haerd of a rabbi that changed his view on homosexuality because his daugther was a lesbian but said that gay men can't be do their thing sexually. Once we stray from core tenets of the bible chaos ensues.

[Garland]

i submit that mormonism,jahovas witnesses scientologist etc ar cults.
I also submit that the pro gay: episcaple,anglican,presberterian,united methodist, unitairinan and e.l.c.a. lutherns(they use offering dollars to pay for abortians) are not churches any more
if you're for gay marriage/unions/think homosexuality is ok/ think abortion is fine you are just nuts.
Any thing I do is just fine because I say so is not a religion
A religion has standards that don't change or it's not a religion and is pointless then. Recently I haerd of a rabbi that changed his view on homosexuality because his daugther was a lesbian but said that gay men can't be do their thing sexually. Once we stray from core tenets of the bible chaos ensues.

I agree with the cult thing, and that once you alter a religions doctrine that much it ceases to be the original...but what about Vatican II? I mean, shit, lutherans, methodists, unitarians...they ceased to be Christians in my view as soon as they schizmed from the Holy Roman Catholic Church. And the Catholic Church ain't beyond reproach either.

Sometimes I'm glad to be an amoral atheist. I'm all for abortion, and I'm all for homosexual civil unions (and AGAINST marraige being a civil matter...it is a religious and faith based one, and should've been kept that way.) And even more for homosexuality...even though I loathe lesbians...I think gay guys are fucking awesome. 1)They ain't competition. 2) they don't procreate, so they won't bring any more anoying assholes into the world and 3) they have disposible incomes, so they are great for the economy.

I've had BAD experiences with lesbians...and bi-people suck even worse. Fucking fence sitting flip-flopping fuckers. Literally.

[Sagacious Lu]

Same with the new lard law, the raw sugar law, the excessive salt law.

Also, the high impact sports law, driving faster than 55mph law (revisited), four-point harness/child safety seats for everyone law. No toy guns, No candies which can be choked on, no shoes whith heels high enough to hurt your ankles, no shirts which cause undo boobage to distract drivers. NO ATV's, no motorcycles. As a matter of fact, buses and trains only, no cars driven by non-state employees.

Don't forget - mandatory sunglasses, sunscreen, no running with scissors, no eating more than 1500 calories/day without a permit unless on specified holidays. Mandatory carpal tunnel screening, flu shots, tetnus shots, prostate exams and breast cancer screening quarterly at work.

NO teaching martial arts without a state license and annual renewal. No headbutting, kicking a guy while he's down, certainly no eye-gouging or fish hooking. NO Playing with objects which appear to be knives. NO guns, NO batons, NO mace, pepper, No throwing sand, sticks, rocks or chi fireballs. Sixteen ounce gloves only, and then only under adult supervision and no hitting to the head. Absolutely NO rough housing.

I don't see what any of that has to do with this issue at all. I'm all for keeping the govt. small and out of people's business as a general rule. The thing is that in this case I think a lot of people may be rejecting something that makes a lot of sense out of a conservative knee-jerk reaction. Now I'm not 100% convinced either, but there are some very strong arguments for the ban, and I have yet to hear a decent one against it. I had this discussion on another forum, so I've been thinking about it.

This web site is obviously biased but I think the're worth listeing to:

http://www.bantransfats.com/

Who is BanTransFats.com?

We are the organization that sued Kraft in 2003 to eliminate trans fat in Oreos.

Result: Kraft eliminated trans fat from Oreos and reduced or eliminated it in about 650 other products. Click here and here for information.

I haven't noticed that oreos are any more expensive now, and they definately don't taste any different.


How much does it cost:

7. "This will add to restaurant owners' costs."

Not true.

Switching to trans fat-free frying oil does not increase costs. The trans fat-free frying oils available today have fry lives just as long as partially hydrogenated oils. As every restaurant owner knows, it is fry life that determines cost. (We are using the term "trans fat-free oil” to mean oil that has not been partially hydrogenated or which would otherwise comply with New York City’s proposed regulation.)

A $22 case oil of trans fat-free oil that has 1.1 times the fry life of a $20 case of partially hydrogenated oil has the same cost. That single $22 case of oil will cook hundreds of servings of food.

Half of the restaurants in New York City are using trans fat-free oil. Ask them if it's more expensive.

In Tiburon, California, “America’s First Trans Fat-Free City,” there is plenty of frying going on in the town's restaurants. They are not experiencing any noticeable increase in cost.

Even if there is any additional cost it certainly does not exceed $5 to $10 per week even in the largest restaurant. KFC's third-largest franchise owner, John Neal, says the difference in cost is pennies. Isn’t that a reasonable price to save lives?

According to this it would cost the restaurants $5 or $10 more a week; does anyone want to dispute this?

8. "New York City is banning French fries and donuts."

Not true.

It's incredible that such pure fiction turns up in the media presented as fact. Every food that is on the market today, including French fries, fried chicken, fried fish, and yes - donuts - will continue to be just as available as they are today.

No foods are being banned. All that is happening is that an oil or fat in the food will be healthier. Customers will not notice any difference in their food whatsoever.

So you can still eat whatever you want.

9. "Customers should have freedom of choice."

Yes they should. The more freedom of choice the better. So if Restaurant A uses trans fat-free oil and Restaurant B uses partially hydrogenated oil, how do you - the customer - know which one uses the trans fat-free oil? You want to make a choice, but can you choose? Remember, there is no regulation requiring restaurants to label. Some restaurant chains have websites with nutrition information, but there is no regulation requiring restaurants to disclose such information and most do not.

Trans fat is invisible, tasteless, and odorless. Trans fat is undetectable unless you carry around Gas Chromatography or other scientific equipment with you.

11. "Instead of forcing restaurants to use trans fat-free oil, they should be required to label it."

The restaurant industry has been fighting tooth and nail to prevent labeling. They can't have it both ways. They can't refuse to label and refuse to eliminate partially hydrogenated oil.

One of our supporters asked the International House of Pancakes (IHOP), a major chain, whether any of its products contained partially hydrogenated oil. Here is the response:


Dear Guest:

I am writing in response to your email regarding your inquiry of nutritional information. I do understand the importance of obtaining accurate information on our products, for dietary purposes or restrictions. Unfortunately, IHOP is unable to provide detailed information on our menu items.

IHOP values the health of our guests and recognizes the need to provide information to our guests. However, food preparation practices, menu offerings and product suppliers vary from region to region. With that natural variance in food across the country, it is nearly impossible to calculate and publish accurate nutritional information or ingredient content on all of our menu items.

Thank you for bringing your concerns to my attention. We hope to serve you again soon.

Sincerely,

James Nguyen
Guest Services Representative
IHOP Restaurant Support Center

What's with all the secrecy? If we're really in favor of the individuals right to choose than they need to provide the information so that people can make informed choices, but they don't want to do that.

[Garland]

No foods fried in coconut or sesame oil.
**** that shit.

I should be to consume whatever I wish...the consumer should know what they're consuming and educate themselves and be warned about the risks, but I'm for freedom of choice. What's next, ban red meat and pasteries?

Keep the government the **** out of the kitchen, the bedroom, and places of worship.

[Sagacious Lu]

I should be to consume whatever I wish...the consumer should know what they're consuming and educate themselves and be warned about the risks, but I'm for freedom of choice.

Garland, you're missing my point. There isn't anyone who wants to choose to eat the Trans fat. There isn't any reason TO choose the trans fat. There isn't anyone in New York sitting there going "damn, I sure do miss my trans fat, that stuff was tasty" because there isn't any difference in taste. The only people that actively oppose this ban are restaurant owners because they don't want to switch and use a slightly different oil to make the same foods they always have. The only difference is that with this law in place the entire city will have less cholesterol. The consumers will never know the difference, they'll just be a little healthier.

What's next, ban red meat and pasteries?

This has nothing to do with the issue what so ever. No one is telling anyone what foods to eat. For an analogy imagine that they discovered a type of gasoline that was just as cheap and just as good for running your car except that it emitted 1/3 of the pollution as the stuff we use now. Would you have a problem with a community deciding to use it exclusively in the interest of clean air? In this hypothetical you can still drive your car all you want, you can still have all the gas you want, and you can still buy your gas from whoever you want, you just have cleaner air. Would that be an infringement on your freedom?

Keep the government the **** out of the kitchen

The hell with that, if some restaurant has a ton of rats, serves spoiled foor and doesn't require their servers to wash their hands after they go to the bathroom I want them shut down for health code violations. Hopefully before people start getting horribly ill.

[Garland]

Garland, you're missing my point. There isn't anyone who wants to choose to eat the Trans fat. Would that be an infringement on your freedom?

You just met one. And yes...it is an infringement.
And if I want to huff gasolina it's my buisness.

[Sagacious Lu]

Garland, you're missing my point. There isn't anyone who wants to choose to eat the Trans fat. Would that be an infringement on your freedom?

This isn't what I posted.

You just met one.

No, I just met a guy who wants to argue for the sake of arguing The only reason you want some is because you think you can't have it. By the logic you're using now if they told restaurant owners that they couldn't serve human feces you'd go make yourself a shit sandwich just to be contrary

[Garland]

By the logic you're using now if they told restaurant owners that they couldn't serve human feces you'd go make yourself a shit sandwich just to be contrary

Is that a dare? Throw some money on this, and we'll see who's the fool! LOL.

[Sagacious Lu]

Is that a dare? Throw some money on this, and we'll see who's the fool! LOL.

I've got a case of beer (you choose the brand) that says you won't do it