Christians vs Atheist?

[jubaji]

Utter Bullshit....

"in Tibet, the Chinese government did not invade Tibet to exterminate the Tibetan Buddhists."
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You so-called atheists have a real problem facing up to the facts, don't you?

Trying to cherry-pick the factors involved in various conflicts doesn't work either.

in The Crusades, the Christian lands did not invade the near east to exterminate the Muslims. The point of the Crusades wasn't to kill Muslims, it was to conquer and hold certain land.

The point of the Inquisition wasn't to kill all non-Catholics, it was to force their conversion for political (mostly) as well as religious reasons.

The Red Chinese invaded Tibet to force conversion and to hold land. Sound familiar, shitforbrains?

Every large scale religious movement has a political aspect to it, and if a government chooses to make it so (as communism always does), large scale political movements can have religious aspects to them.

You can't hide from it no matter how much you'd like to.

[BoarSpear]

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So when did Atheist invade purely to destroy a religion again? NEVER...When did organized religion set out to wipe out non believers? When haven't they?

[BoarSpear]

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Tibet.

Utter Bullshit....We see who knows history and who spouts whatever propaganda he was spoon fed...The Dalai Lama seems to feel differently than Jubaji on why his country was invaded...hmmm who do we believe?

"In the Holocaust, the Jewish people were persecuted simply because of their faith and culture; in other words, they were singled out to persecution because they were members of a certain group. However, in Tibet, the Chinese government had a different goal than the Nazis in Germany. China did not invade Tibet to exterminate the Tibetan Buddhists. Another interpretation would be that the persecution of Tibetan Buddhists undermined the strength of the country to defend itself, making it easier for China to annex the land. Instead, China wanted to annex the land and if a religious group was annihilated in the process, it was of no consequence."
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So now that we have put your lie to bed....try again...

[jubaji]

Plain and simple, name one time that atheist INVADED a foreign land land and tortured and killed all those who wouldn't convert to atheism

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Tibet.

[BoarSpear]

Plain and simple, name one time that atheist INVADED a foreign land land and tortured and killed all those who wouldn't convert to atheism simply because the atheist didn't like religious people....

When did atheists EVER start a war OVER religion?

[jubaji]

No, no. Atheism is not a central tenent of all forms of government, so your example is too broad.


Say rather that conversion is a central tentant of some religions. If a radical religious sect demands forced conversion and kills millions of people in the process of doing so, then you can blame both the religion and that aspect of it that played a part in those killings.


If someone says "You must believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's bad.

If someone says "You must NOT believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's the same bad.

Both have happened to lots and lots and lots of people. Both are bad. Only one seems to be being denied here.

[Garland]

Its one of the central tenants of communism.

reciprocity and altruism are central tenants of religion, does that mean we can blame the crusades, the inquistition, and 9-11 on reciprocity and altruism? No. It's a logical fallacy affirming the consequents.

[Garland]

i don't know much about the others mentionned, but the Soviet Union was definately suppressive and intolerant of religion. Marxist thinking and atheism kinda go hand in hand, ever hear "religion is the opiate of the masses"?

yes... ever hear the term "modus tollens"?

Just because Atheism is part of Communism doesn't mean that it follows that the acts of Communists should be attributed to Atheism as an ideology, or done in the name of atheism.

[jubaji]

he can't even see the contradiction within a single sentence!

No one has been killed in the name of atheism, but plenty of people have died at the hands of idiots who force their beliefs on others.

LOL!

[jubaji]

uh...how is communism atheism?

Its one of the central tenants of communism.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

uh...how is communism atheism?

i don't know much about the others mentionned, but the Soviet Union was definately suppressive and intolerant of religion. Marxist thinking and atheism kinda go hand in hand, ever hear "religion is the opiate of the masses"?

[Garland]

Soviet Union, Red China, Pol Pot, NKorea...



Millions and millions and millions

uh...how is communism atheism?

[BoarSpear]

uh...I call bullshit on that one.

No one has been killed in the name of atheism, but plenty of people have died at the hands of idiots who force their beliefs on others.

[jubaji]

uh...I call bullshit on that one.

Soviet Union, Red China, Pol Pot, NKorea...



Millions and millions and millions

[Garland]

Oh yes, and millions of people have died due to fanatical athiesm too. So blaming it all on religion is rather disingenious.

uh...I call bullshit on that one.