Christians vs Atheist?

[Toudiyama[NL]]

and yea atheism has been around a long time, but i don't think it's ever been the dominant climate of belief in a nation until the modern era.

It still isn't in most countries, My Country has slightly over 50%
I believe the scandinavian countries are the same but even then you can't say it is the dominant climate, seeing the exceptions we make for religious people
Example, in my coutry, gay marriages are allowed, the new government agreed to allow people(read christians) that have religious objections to refuse to mary these couples
Luckely we have a system were cabnet and parlament are seperate
and the people in parlament from the one of the parties in the cabinet object to it ( meaning it will not be implemented)

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

hehehehe geesh we've been around for awhile now....but some day in the future...oh shit Old King George is gonna declare a preemptive war on atheists!!
Lord knows Bush seems to get his ideas from watching South Park.

lol, if he got his ideas from south park it would only be because he couldn't discern satire from... o crap, you might be on to something.

and yea atheism has been around a long time, but i don't think it's ever been the dominant climate of belief in a nation until the modern era.

[BoarSpear]

give 'em time, it'll happen. anyone see the south park episodes where in the future atheist nations are fighting over science? it was funny in that kinda scary way...

hehehehe geesh we've been around for awhile now....but some day in the future...oh shit Old King George is gonna declare a preemptive war on atheists!!
Lord knows Bush seems to get his ideas from watching South Park.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Plain and simple, name one time that atheist INVADED a foreign land land and tortured and killed all those who wouldn't convert to atheism simply because the atheist didn't like religious people....

When did atheists EVER start a war OVER religion?

give 'em time, it'll happen. anyone see the south park episodes where in the future atheist nations are fighting over science? it was funny in that kinda scary way...

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

yes... ever hear the term "modus tollens"?

Just because Atheism is part of Communism doesn't mean that it follows that the acts of Communists should be attributed to Atheism as an ideology, or done in the name of atheism.

i had not, but i looked it up

but as jubaji is pointing out, doesn't that go both ways? religion is part of the governments that invade other countries.

i'm curious (genuinely, i don't have a good answer myself) how you define atheism or agnosticism or any other philosophy from "religion"? you derive codes of conduct and morality from atheist beliefs just as from a belief in the supernatural, or at least i hope you do. it seems to me the main difference is how many believers there are and how institutionalized they are. but in practice, a lot of the time one christian's beliefs vary as widely from another's as one atheist's beliefs vary from another's.

[jubaji]

I don't know of any massacres done in the name of atheism, maybe for communism, but not atheism by itself.

You're trying to separate the political and religious components, but that works the other way as well. Religious massacres have all had their political components as well. (see post #99)

[jubaji]

godless and brainless?

Keep telling yourself you were right

The question was name one ATHEIST nation (1) that invaded another (2) and tortured and killed those who didn't convert to Atheism (3)...your answer was Tibet

1 - check

2 - check

3- check


Yup, I covered every point in your question.

[DickHardman]

I don't know of any massacres done in the name of atheism, maybe for communism, but not atheism by itself.

one of the main reasons behind all this violence and bloodshed is lack of faith in god inmop. if people truly believed in god and feared him they would not be so quick to harm others and cause chaos.

[Garland]

No, no. Atheism is not a central tenent of all forms of government, so your example is too broad.


Say rather that conversion is a central tentant of some religions. If a radical religious sect demands forced conversion and kills millions of people in the process of doing so, then you can blame both the religion and that aspect of it that played a part in those killings.


If someone says "You must believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's bad.

If someone says "You must NOT believe in God or I'll kill you!" and does so, that's the same bad.

Both have happened to lots and lots and lots of people. Both are bad. Only one seems to be being denied here.

Atheism is not JUST a tenent or component of Communism. Is is a seperate belief structure. You could say that Nazism and Socialism are the same based on that logic due to the socialist component, right? It doesn't mean that all socialists are nazis. Not all atheists are communists, in fact, quite the contrary.

I don't know of any massacres done in the name of atheism, maybe for communism, but not atheism by itself.

[BoarSpear]

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[BoarSpear]

And I was correct and accurate. And you are now hurt and ashamed by that. Too F-ing bad, I didn't tell you to be stupid.

Keep telling yourself you were right, I'm done explaining the facts to you, unless you find some evidence other than your word I have nothing else to say since I quoted the Dalai Lama TWICE destroying your claims....this is even less relevant since Tibet didn't even fit the question...but you had to reach for any straw you could find.

We can always tell when you've run out of logical arguments, all you do is babble and insult people...never once can you back your post up with anything except insults...that says it all.

Who to believe, the leader of the invaded country or jubaji?...only you would even still try to act like you were right.

I've wasted enough time on you today.

[jubaji]

NOTHING to do with Religion but everything to do with strategy.

Read post #99 again. Make pUke run out and buy you a dictionary for the big words.

[jubaji]

The question was name one ATHEIST nation that invaded another and tortured and killed all those who didn't convert to Atheism...your answer was Tibet

Actually, the answer was China in its invasion of Tibet and (attempt at) forced conversion of thousands of Tibetans to atheism.
And I was correct and accurate. And you are now hurt and ashamed by that. Too F-ing bad, I didn't tell you to be stupid.

[BoarSpear]

"If you look at the history of Chinese, they are always expanding. That is their nature. Before the Chinese Communists took power, during the Kuomintang time, it seems that the Kuomintang on some occasions were to invade Tibet, but they did not succeed. When the Chinese Communists came to power the whole of China was united, and thus then had enough power to invade Tibet. If you look objectively, there is clear sign that the two are separate countries. In the Chinese' case, they had a very belief that the whole working class of the worlds should unite and destroy the imperialist or Capitalist. Therefor, when the Chinese reached Lhasa, one Chinese general explained that the liberation of Tibet was not only for the Tibetans but for the neighbouing nations as well. They also believed in the power of the gun. So Tibet was strategically important to them. I think that these are the reasons."
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Yep another quote from the Dalai Lama that directly goes against jubaji's "expertise" on the subject...NOTHING to do with Religion but everything to do with strategy.

[BoarSpear]

You so-called atheists have a real problem facing up to the facts, don't you?

Trying to cherry-pick the factors involved in various conflicts doesn't work either.

in The Crusades, the Christian lands did not invade the near east to exterminate the Muslims. The point of the Crusades wasn't to kill Muslims, it was to conquer and hold certain land.

The point of the Inquisition wasn't to kill all non-Catholics, it was to force their conversion for political (mostly) as well as religious reasons.

The Red Chinese invaded Tibet to force conversion and to hold land. Sound familiar, shitforbrains?

Every large scale religious movement has a political aspect to it, and if a government chooses to make it so (as communism always does), large scale political movements can have religious aspects to them.

You can't hide from it no matter how much you'd like to.

You so called Christians sure do spend a lot of time insulting people who point out your lies and bullshit. The question you LIED to answer was name one ATHEIST nation that invaded another and tortured and killed all those who didn't convert to Atheism...your uneducated bullshit answer was Tibet...