Christians vs Atheist?

[Cathain]

Oh yes, and millions of people have died due to fanatical athiesm too. So blaming it all on religion is rather disingenious.

[Cathain]

Has anybody yet posted that the Landover Baptist site is a well-known spoof?
If not, now you know.

[jubaji]

The article addressed the Jewish population in Iran. Did you read it?

[DickHardman]

Here, this is a long article but maybe you can ask an adult to help you with the big words.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/271uktmd.asp

whats funny about that is that jews and iranians are probobly more in cahootz than anything else. i dont know what this current nonsense going on in iran is, but i think its just that, all nonsense. there are thousands of jews living in iran, and israel definitely has an interest in their wellbeing. thats one of the reasons that israel gave arms to iran when saddam invaded, they wanted to make sure the iranian jews were taken care of. in addition to this, there are many iranian jews living in israel that still have ties to iran. the connections run deep, despite what you see in on the political stage. that shits all for show. the holocaust denial nonsense is just irans version of george bush ruining his countries standing by acting like a fool.

[DickHardman]

I'm in the same position vis-a-vis that question as you. I don't know.



Is there other life on other planets in the universe? Seems likely.

Is there other intelligent life? Far less certain. Of all the myriad life on this planet, only one has ever developed intelligence as far as we know (and its nothing to write home about anyway).

If there is other intelligent life, is it more intelligent, more developed than us? There's another step away from certainty.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, have they taken to traveling space? Another step away.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, and if they taken to traveling space, are they so advanced and so inclined to travel as far as this? Another step.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, and if they taken to traveling space, and if they so advanced and so inclined to travel as far as this, are they likely to be looking for or to just happen upon us over here? Several more steps.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, and if they taken to traveling space, and if they so advanced and so inclined to travel as far as this, and if they were looking for or to just happened upon us over here, they wouldn't bother after all that shit to stop and unambiguously say hello to anyone but drunken farmers and mental patients with anal fixations? A thousand miles of more steps.


And on and on and on a million more steps than this. You have something there is no (real, tangible, verifiable) proof of existing, and you have people who want to believe it exists. What do you think is gonna happen?

thats a decent response jubaji, too bad you couldnt have just said that instead of posting tons of insults when i asked you for your opinion all those times.


but either way, a lot these things that you list and claim to be steps away from reality are all things that we humans have accomplished in a VERY short span of time. considering that our planet is so new compared to some of the other stars, planets, galaxies, etc that have been around for billions and billions of years you will see that we achieved all this in the blink of an eye.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Uke,

Are you aware that you can not convert to judaism, you are only considered a jew if your mother is a jew
So saying these aren't of the lineage of Jacob, must be false
Also, if they were converts then the germans didn't consider them jews as they used the same rules as the jews themself did, look at the female lineage
Real judaist, no matter how violent, does not try to impose its religious believe upon others

[jubaji]

Here, this is a long article but maybe you can ask an adult to help you with the big words.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/271uktmd.asp

[jubaji]

taking pathetic to new heights

you've lost sight of the fact that more people in this world share my view than they do yours. .

Oh man, that is so sad. I'm seriously asking you now: are you just some kid on a computer? I can't think of any other excuse for the above quote.

[Uke]

Oh no? Are you sure? Because the flags of Iraq and Jordan were not in that photo. Iran (home central of official Holocaust denial) is on the far left, and there are many Palestinian flags that you failed to mention. So it seems that you do discuss things you don't know about, which is consistent with just about everything you've ever said here.

Okay, so you want to debate now? I concede the fact that there are Palestinian flags in the picture that I didn't mention. Now, what difference did that make in the context of this debate? Has it changed the historical ramifications of that event?

Are you saying that what took place in Canaan in 1948 was any less barbaric than what Americans and the French did to the American Indians? Are you saying that what took place in Canaan in 1948 was any different that the Holy Crusades? Instead of focusing on minor details of the debate, let's examine the big picture.

You are calling me anti-Semitic because I oppose driving out indigenous people to satisfy what Zionist try to pass off as prophesy, referring to the children of Jacob will inherit the Holy Land. The Ashkenazim who inhabit Canaan today are not of the blood lineage of Jacob. They are Russian/German/Polish converts who after converting to Judaism settled in Germany, and became the victims of the Holocaust.

Being a victim of a European atrocity gives no justification to pushing an entire people out of their land on another continent. Of course you condone it because people like you scream blind patriotism at the top of your lungs so no one in your community takes a long, hard look at you and your family. You hang flags and buy bumper stickers.

Its not only the Arabs who oppose Zionism. Why don't you look at the green and white flag(since your fond of flags) and tell us what flag that is and what it represents?

And the only thing you can bring to this debate is to call me "Adolph" and point out that I didn't mention the Palestinian flag? Have you mentioned that there are Jewish who are opposed to Zionism in the USA as well as Europe? Are people who oppose murder and genocide anti-Semites? Are you some kind of idiot not to realize that the people who once occupied that land have been slaughtered for the last 59 years for openly opposing Zionism and demanding that their land be returned?

Of course since the cycle has begun we can say the Palestinians are vicious people because when you see two people fighting they both look vicious and barbaric if you don't know how it started. But just because its a cycle NOW doesn't mean people should ignore the catalyst responsible for the whole situation.

Leave it to a sad soul like you to tell Rabbi's and Imam worldwide that they're wrong and a joke of a man like you is right. You've hidden you head in your ass for so long that you've lost sight of the fact that more people in this world share my view than they do yours. Pathetic people like you just lick the boots of whoever has the bigger guns.

[jubaji]

And what happened to Jubaji? He was replying to this thread for like 20 minutes and then all of a sudden he logged off. I hope he's okay.

Thank you for your concern. I do have to pretend to work a little from time to time and it occaisionally gets in the way of my important contributions here.

[jubaji]

And most people here thought Israel was some ancient nation, not a country only 10 years older than Hawaii's statehood.

Don't try to paint "most people" with your idiocy, adolf.

[jubaji]

Of course I do. They were flags of Iran, Iraq, Jordan and other countries in that region who have had differences but came together to oppose bullshit when they see it. Unlike you I don't discuss things that I don't know about.

Oh no? Are you sure? Because the flags of Iraq and Jordan were not in that photo. Iran (home central of official Holocaust denial) is on the far left, and there are many Palestinian flags that you failed to mention. So it seems that you do discuss things you don't know about, which is consistent with just about everything you've ever said here.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

Which brings us back to the topic of this thread. Faith is an integral part of the human consciousness. When the modern secularizing world demonizes and shames that essential element of what we are, that energy (which previously had been used to express the human condition in complex, fascinating, and beautiful ways and, under the best conditions, to guide our behavior toward each other) finds an outlet in the dreams and delusions of fools and madmen. If there is a higher and a lower order of faith, only one is deemed acceptable in today's society.

Bravo!


that'll have to do for now, i can't pos rep you again so soon

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

And most people here thought Israel was some ancient nation, not a country only 10 years older than Hawaii's statehood.

not the same nation as it is today, or even a nation really as we think of nations. but it was the ancient homeland of the jews. the Romans renamed the place Palestine as a little "up yours" to the jews because Palestine is just latin for Phillistine.

the whole thing is too messy to take sides, no one's hands are clean of blood in this issue.

[jubaji]

So are you saying that in our galaxy, there is no other advanced civilization besides ourselves?

I'm in the same position vis-a-vis that question as you. I don't know.



Is there other life on other planets in the universe? Seems likely.

Is there other intelligent life? Far less certain. Of all the myriad life on this planet, only one has ever developed intelligence as far as we know (and its nothing to write home about anyway).

If there is other intelligent life, is it more intelligent, more developed than us? There's another step away from certainty.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, have they taken to traveling space? Another step away.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, and if they taken to traveling space, are they so advanced and so inclined to travel as far as this? Another step.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, and if they taken to traveling space, and if they so advanced and so inclined to travel as far as this, are they likely to be looking for or to just happen upon us over here? Several more steps.

If there is other life and if it is intelligent and if it is more intelligent and developed, and if they taken to traveling space, and if they so advanced and so inclined to travel as far as this, and if they were looking for or to just happened upon us over here, they wouldn't bother after all that shit to stop and unambiguously say hello to anyone but drunken farmers and mental patients with anal fixations? A thousand miles of more steps.


And on and on and on a million more steps than this. You have something there is no (real, tangible, verifiable) proof of existing, and you have people who want to believe it exists. What do you think is gonna happen?






Which brings us back to the topic of this thread. Faith is an integral part of the human consciousness. When the modern secularizing world demonizes and shames that essential element of what we are, that energy (which previously had been used to express the human condition in complex, fascinating, and beautiful ways and, under the best conditions, to guide our behavior toward each other) finds an outlet in the dreams and delusions of fools and madmen. If there is a higher and a lower order of faith, only one is deemed acceptable in today's society.