Christians vs Atheist?

[Uke]

The above is way beyond the comprehension of peons like jubajackass. To accuse me of being anti-Semitic because I feel as though the German Manifest Destiny against the Canaan caused the conflict that still goes on today makes him not only a moron, but a dangerous loser who intends to incite and exacerbate racial and religious prejudice. Thousands of Jews feel as I do and I only included the picture to prove that point.

The Middle East was long looked upon as a goldmine for its oil reserves, but there was no ethical way or reason for the US and the British to have a military presence in that region. So after the conclusion of WWII, they offered the surviving GERMAN Jews a land of their own. There were other options than Canaan, but the Germans were bent on Canaan as their new home. So, with military force, the inhabitants of Canaan were then pushed back out of the Holy Land to make room for European German Ashkenazim converts who had no ties to that land other than the practice of worship.

On May 15, 1948 the state sponsored country known as Israel came into existence. Check your facts. Before that date, the land known as Israel NEVER existed. Ever since that point in time, the people who occupied that land for many, many generations have been fighting to reclaim what was once theirs. Don't ever forget that whoever wins the battle gets to record history the way that they want it to appear.

Once again its FACT vs jubajackass' opinions. I thought you were just a complete idiot when it came to martial arts. We see you apply the same method on every topic now.

[jubaji]

is your real name 'happeh'?

This has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
Thousands of jews worldwide have been protesting zionism since its inception.
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Yeah, yeah, and there were some Jews at the recent Iranian Holocaust denial conference too. (hmm, where did I see a picture of that?)

Your comments have revealed yet another disgraceful side of you very clearly.

[Uke]

And now he gets with the anti-semitism. Your desperate, ignorant fantasies about MA are one thing, but this foray into racial, religious, and ethnic hatred is another thing altogether.

Just when I thought he couldn't get any worse...

This has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
Thousands of jews worldwide have been protesting zionism since its inception.
You're just to sheltered to know that. Are they antisemitic too? Stick to kimchi Bunny, because you're not equipped for this either.

[Tom Yum]

Do some research. The conflicts in the Middle East that led to what is today know as The War On Terror in the United States of America can be traced back to one specific date: May 15, 1948

True. I studied this once in a history class.

[Tom Yum]

Hmmm weren't these people the middlemen between "god" and his flock? Most of that BS was sanctioned by or carried out by the clergy themselves...That leaves you saying the people who carry the message of "God" are of questionable virtue and character yet they are the ones spreading Gods teachings, HMMMM.

I don't know too many practicing Christians who do absolutely terrible things to other people.

No shit? I'm certainly proud atheist/agnostics aren't associated with the types of behaviors most of organized religion has been.

Again, I can't speak for what has been done in the name of Christianity in the last millenium. Lots of folks have been saved, literally from ills through conversion and following God's word. Many others live simple and relatively peacfull lives.

Hey Mr Bush has proven to be a man of rational thought who listens closely to advisers and never lets his religious beliefs taint his vision or job performance.

I don't agree with the way Bush has handled some things, but he's still Commander in Chief. That being said its up to some of his advisers and their constituents to gut check each other so that he's getting accurate information.

[BoarSpear]

the koran also speaks of extraterrestrial life. in fact, here is the very first line of the koran : "All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds"

Lord of the worlds, Master of the Demon Valley, Whats in a name anyway...

Although even the Master of the Demon Valley mentioned that in ancient times those that ruled the skies owned the battlefields...what I wanna know is WHO the FUVK did HE consider the ancients????

[DickHardman]

WTF ???? I don't post porn, why you gotta post the bible? You should put warnings up first....some people are easily offended....or may burst into flames...or laughter.

the koran also speaks of extraterrestrial life. in fact, here is the very first line of the koran : "All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds"

[BoarSpear]

Ezekiel 1:1-28

1 Now it came about in the thirtieth year, in the fourth [month], on the fifth [day] of the month, while I was in the midst of the exiled people by the river Che´bar, that the heavens were opened and I began to see visions of God. 2 On the fifth [day] of the month, that is, [in] the fifth year of the exile of King Je·hoi´a·chin, 3 the word of Jehovah occurred specifically to Ezekiel the son of Bu´zi the priest in the land of the Chal·de´ans by the river Che´bar, and upon him in that place the hand of Jehovah came to be.

WTF ???? I don't post porn, why you gotta post the bible? You should put warnings up first....some people are easily offended....or may burst into flames...or laughter.

[jubaji]

Christian prophecy is nothing more than an extention of Zionism, which is is the true cause of the conflict in that region. I usually don't get into these discussions, but call a spade a spade.

Do some research. The conflicts in the Middle East that led to what is today know as The War On Terror in the United States of America can be traced back to one specific date: May 15, 1948

And now he gets with the anti-semitism. Your desperate, ignorant fantasies about MA are one thing, but this foray into racial, religious, and ethnic hatred is another thing altogether.

Just when I thought he couldn't get any worse...

[DickHardman]

Ezekiel 1:1-28

1 Now it came about in the thirtieth year, in the fourth [month], on the fifth [day] of the month, while I was in the midst of the exiled people by the river Che´bar, that the heavens were opened and I began to see visions of God. 2 On the fifth [day] of the month, that is, [in] the fifth year of the exile of King Je·hoi´a·chin, 3 the word of Jehovah occurred specifically to Ezekiel the son of Bu´zi the priest in the land of the Chal·de´ans by the river Che´bar, and upon him in that place the hand of Jehovah came to be.

4 And I began to see, and, look! there was a tempestuous wind coming from the north, a great cloud mass and quivering fire, and it had a brightness all around, and out of the midst of it there was something like the look of electrum, out of the midst of the fire. 5 And out of the midst of it there was the likeness of four living creatures, and this was how they looked: they had the likeness of earthling man. 6 And [each] one had four faces, and [each] one of them four wings. 7 And their feet were straight feet, and the sole of their feet was like the sole of the foot of a calf; and they were gleaming as with the glow of burnished copper. 8 And there were the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides, and the four of them had their faces and their wings. 9 Their wings were joining one to the other. They would not turn when they went; they would go each one straight forward.

10 And as for the likeness of their faces, the four of them had a man’s face with a lion’s face to the right, and the four of them had a bull’s face on the left; the four of them also had an eagle’s face. 11 That is the way their faces were. And their wings were spreading out upward. Each one had two joining to each other, and two were covering their bodies.

12 And they would go each one straight forward. To wherever the spirit would incline to go, they would go. They would not turn as they went. 13 And as for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire. Something like the appearance of torches was moving back and forth between the living creatures, and the fire was bright, and out of the fire there was lightning going forth. 14 And on the part of the living creatures there was a going forth and a returning as with the appearance of the lightning.

15 As I kept seeing the living creatures, why, look! there was one wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, by the four faces of each. 16 As for the appearance of the wheels and their structure, it was like the glow of chrys´o·lite; and the four of them had one likeness. And their appearance and their structure were just as when a wheel proved to be in the midst of a wheel. 17 When they went they would go on their four respective sides. They would not turn another way when they went. 18 And as for their rims, they had such height that they caused fearfulness; and their rims were full of eyes all around the four of them. 19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels would go beside them, and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit inclined to go, they would go, the spirit [inclining] to go there; and the wheels themselves would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. 21 When they went, these would go; and when they stood still, these would stand still; and when they were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

22 And over the heads of the living creatures there was the likeness of an expanse like the sparkle of awesome ice, stretched out over their heads up above. 23 And under the expanse their wings were straight, one to the other. Each one had two wings covering on this side and each one had two covering on that side their bodies. 24 And I got to hear the sound of their wings, a sound like that of vast waters, like the sound of the Almighty One, when they went, the sound of a tumult, like the sound of an encampment. When they stood still, they would let their wings down.

25 And there came to be a voice above the expanse that was over their head. (When they stood still, they would let their wings down.) 26 And above the expanse that was over their head there was something in appearance like sapphire stone, the likeness of a throne. And upon the likeness of the throne there was a likeness of someone in appearance like an earthling man upon it, up above. 27 And I got to see something like the glow of electrum, like the appearance of fire all around inside thereof, from the appearance of his hips and upward; and from the appearance of his hips and downward I saw something like the appearance of fire, and he had a brightness all around. 28 There was something like the appearance of the bow that occurs in a cloud mass on the day of a pouring rain. That is how the appearance was of the brightness round about. It was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of Jehovah. When I got to see [it], then I fell upon my face, and I began to hear the voice of one speaking.

[BoarSpear]

you know, now that you mentioned it, the bible contains lots of descriptions of ufos. ever read ezekiels book? lol, he strait up describes people descending from the stars in a ufo.

Heresy!! Heritic.

Burn the Blasphemer!!

[DickHardman]

Dammit Dick. This is a discussion about super beings from the heavens!! Oh wait, I guess you weren't hijacking the thread.

you know, now that you mentioned it, the bible contains lots of descriptions of ufos. ever read ezekiels book? lol, he strait up describes a ufo encounter.

[jubaji]

You cannot say that the people involved in the Salem Witch trials weren't good people.

Holy crap, what a horribly failed attempt at historic reference! That was just embarrassing. wheeeeew! open a window!

[BoarSpear]

what about the suppression of free energy, and the various technologies gained from downed extraterrestrial crafts and interplanetary ships visiting our planet??

Dammit Dick. This is a discussion about super beings from the heavens!! Oh wait, I guess you weren't hijacking the thread.

[DickHardman]

Do some research. The conflicts in the Middle East that led to what is today know as The War On Terror in the United States of America can be traced back to one specific date: May 15, 1948

are you going to blame it all on the jews now?