Fridays on Defend

[Hardball]

Everyone's busy following the news out of London.

I don't understand how you get away without getting banned. LOL. I'm talking about your remark in the Black Ghi thread. LOL

[jubaji]

I don't understand how you get away without getting banned.

Is it so bad to follow international news?

[jubaji]

LOL. I'm talking about your remark in the Black Ghi thread. LOL

Tell the truth, did you care about some kid's Gi color issue?

[Tom Yum]

What these people are doing, (with the tacit support of too many "moderate" Muslims), is not a religion of peace.

How they keep on gaining new recruits and followers is beyond me.

They recruit from the streets of certain neighborhoods in the UK and EU; liberal-minded, frustrated and unemployed Muslim youths find their way to recruitment literature and fronts used for gatherings.

[Hardball]

Tell the truth, did you care about some kid's Gi color issue?

Yea, but you lambblasted the poor kid!. LOL

[jubaji]

Yea, but you lambblasted the poor kid!. LOL

If he can't handle that much, how far can he really hope to progress?

[Hardball]

If he can't handle that much, how far can he really hope to progress?

Good point.

[GQchris]

I got news for you Tom Yum, these people are not "Liberal minded", ok? These are fundamentalist Islamic hardliners who want women to wear a veil, homosexuality to be fined by 200-300 lashes, NO separation of church and state, and extreme, draconian laws.

Does that sound like "liberal minded" to you? Sounds almost the same as right wing conservative Christians.

You need to stop equating "Liberal" with something vile and negative. It means "enlightened" and "Progressive". it does not mean wanting to roll the clock back to the middle ages, which is basically what these islamic hardliners, AND the fundamentalist Christians want to do!!!!!

you just sound like an Angry Progressive... that doesn't sound so "enlightened" to me. you're supposed to be a Happy go lucky, new age boddhisattva brimming with love and compassion for all people, even fundamentalist Christians.

[DickHardman]

Yeah, I just don't get it. These morons want to goad us into more war, so they pick England, (who just got a liberal democrat as thier new PM) as a target. Nothing these people do makes sense to me. They should know full well that this new guy will pull the British troops out soon, so why do they attack? I can probably answer my own question: We are dealing with pure evil here. Islam a religion of peace? Buddhism is a religion of peace, with Christianity a close second. What these people are doing, (with the tacit support of too many "moderate" Muslims), is not a religion of peace.

How they keep on gaining new recruits and followers is beyond me. I just hope they hit a ceiling soon, and their creepy movement just dries up and blows away.

islam is actually a religion of peace. bear with me here, but let me just quote some of muhammads words.

-That man is nearest to God, who pardoneth, when he had in his power him who would have injured him.

-A man's true wealth here after is the good he does in this world to his fellow man.

-The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr.

-Do not say, that if the people do good to us, we will do good to them; and if the people oppress us, we will oppress them; but determine that if people do you good, you will do good to them; and if they oppress you, you will not oppress them.

-Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to one another. No one has any right, nor any preference to claim over another.

- Shall I not inform you of a better act than fasting, alms, and prayers? Making peace between one another: enmity and malice tear up heavenly rewards by the roots.

-The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is only the one who controls himself when he is angry.

-None of you really has faith unless he desires for his neighbor what he desires for himself.

-If anyone removes (one of the) anxieties of this world from a believer, God will remove (one of the) anxieties from him on the Day of Resurrection; if one smoothes the way for one who is destitute, God will smooth the way for him in this world and the next; and if anyone conceals the faults of a Muslim, God will conceal his faults in this world and the next. God helps a man as long as he helps his brother. If anyone pursues a path in search of knowledge God will thereby make easy for him a path to paradise.

-What actions are most excellent? To gladden the heart of a human being, to feed the hungry, to help the afflicted, to lighten the sorrow of the sorrowful, and to remove the wrongs of the injured.

-All God's creatures are His family; and he is the most beloved of God who doeth most good to God's creatures.

-Whoever is kind to His creatures, God is kind to him; therefore be kind to man on earth, whether good or bad; and being kind to the bad, is to withold him from badness, thus in heaven you will be treated kindly.

-He who is not kind to God's creatures, and to his own children, God will not be kind to him.

-When he dies, people will say, "What property has he left behind him?" But the angels will ask, "What good deeds has he sent before him?"

-To overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil.

-You have two characters which God likes; gentleness and deliberation.

-Shedding of blood will be the first matter about which judgment will be given on the Day of Resurrection.

-The man who is most hateful to God is the one who quarrels and disputes most.

-Those who are merciful have mercy shown them by the Compassionate One, if you show mercy to those who are in the earth, He Who is in heaven will show mercy to you.









as you can see by his own words, the religion does NOT advocate any of the barbaric, asinine behaviors you witness some of the most ignorant people in the world performing, in fact you can see that the religion is completely opposite. when you read the most reliable quotes of muhammad, they contain wisdom and heart. im not a muslim myself, i think humans took muhammads message and twisted it up and did all kindsa bullshit with it and created all kinds of traditions and myths. but when you look at the bare quotes by themselves, you will see the truth in them. there are gunmen roaming iraq, killing people simply for having goatees because they believe that its a "jewish" style of facial hair. does that kind of senseless, asinine barbarity seem like something muhammad would approve of, when you read his quotes? or could it be that humans are fucked up no matter what religion the claim, where they come from, or what race they are?

didnt hitler claim to be christian? now honestly, do you believe hitler was a true christian, someone who really believed in jesus and his way of life, or just some nutcase claiming to be a christian?? there is a difference.

[Tom Yum]

I got news for you Tom Yum, these people are not "Liberal minded", ok? These are fundamentalist Islamic hardliners who want women to wear a veil, homosexuality to be fined by 200-300 lashes, NO separation of church and state, and extreme, draconian laws.

Does that sound like "liberal minded" to you? Sounds almost the same as right wing conservative Christians.

My intention wasn't to say that liberal-minded is bad or wrong, Mr. Arieson. The point I'm getting at is that these folks are opening their mind to the kind of extremism that targets ordinary citizens - that puts us into harms way.

You need to stop equating "Liberal" with something vile and negative. It means "enlightened" and "Progressive". it does not mean wanting to roll the clock back to the middle ages, which is basically what these islamic hardliners, AND the fundamentalist Christians want to do!!!!!

I have no desire to roll the clock back to the middle ages and am far from the fundamentalist Christian movement, although I do attend church and do believe in God. Giving to the law what is the law's...the Constitution grants us the freedom of religion in this country - the freedom to choose one's own faith.

To the contrary, I am comfortable in and genuinely interested in other's cultures - but what you'll find about this country and in the UK, is that too few are interested in the culture of the land they live. Everyone wants their culture to have a voice, but how about the culture of the country they're living in.

Personally, I believe that which ever faith one chooses, they are responsible for understanding and appreciating the way the world works, especially the natural world.

Yes, the moon landings were real. Yes, carbon dating works (even if I can't get a date using it ) and shows that fossils are millions of years old. Yes, there could be other forms of life on other planets (there you go Hardman) - no one has a definite answer.

Despite these great achievements and possibilities, we still cannot get along with our neighbors; we still cannot explain things in the human experience that are beyond our senses - this is where one's religious faith comes into play.

[Tom Yum]

No carbon dating? I will buy that. Nowadays, you are more likely to encounter silicon dating if you go to a nightclub. Especially out here in california, where most women are 90% silicon, 5% water and 5% botox.

In the words of Rapper Sir Mix-A-Lot, Baby gotta have back.

[Tom Yum]

You know Tom, I don't really have anything against Christians. Just those that are letting politics merge with their religion. Those that are unwilling to accept a scientific truth, just because they don't think it is in the bible. Or those that don't allow children the natural questioning or exploration of their life and the world around them, and instead, force feed them the same kind of views that people had when they tried to shut up Galileo and Copernicus, or burned witches (actually just lesbians and midwives), or insist the world is flat.

I think most Christians understand scientific truths and natural laws, but live their lives working with people in non-technical work so they don't really touch on the materials, except from what they remember from their education.

Actually, Genesis (For example), has a lot of scientific truth in it, if you read it as metaphor, and not literal. It says man was made from dust. Scientists say "primordial ooze". Pretty much the same thing. It talks about a "firmament" separating heavan from earth. Scientists talk about "brane" and "superstring" theory, which can be read the same way.

When coming up with the origins of planet earth, I wouldn't be suprised if great western scientists subconsciouly thought about Genesis; the details of creation are certainly up to science to discover.

But where I draw the line is when anyone says the earth is 6000 years old, and was created as is, with "age" already there. I highly doubt God is a trickster who likes to mess with the minds of humans.

I have no problem with intelligent design either. In fact, it is what I believe. But I also believe in the natural law of physics, biology, evolution, DNA, genetic mutation, etc..faith, with reason.

The Christianity that is discussed in the first 4 books of the new testament is what I read and believe in. The whacky old testament stuff, no way! And this old testament stuff is what the right wing Christians and right wing Muslims focus on 100%. I read Hardman's quotes from the Koran. I don't hear about many Muslims sharing those views. Much like how the right wing Christian glosses over the parts where Jesus talks about love, compassion, hope, faith, poverty and sickness (The sermon on the mount) and focuses solely on a literal interpretation of the old testament (100% thinking about global warming, evolution and gays) the Muslim these days focuses on the harshest parts of the Koran. That's what I judge them based on.

Carbon dating different layers of the earth lead us to believe that the earth is a few billion years old and that life began several hundred million years ago.

Keep in mind that the Old Testament seems to describe God's power, both destructive and constructive - and there's bound to be some overlap with the Koran in some of the messages and events.

I believe the New Testament reminds us of God's love and tells us how we are to treat one another. This is probably the greatest struggle of any Christian, but sin corrects itself - with enough life experience, most of us understand this; Buddhists call it karma.

[Garland]

I think most Christians understand scientific truths and natural laws,

I believe the New Testament reminds us of God's love and tells us how we are to treat one another. This is probably the greatest struggle of any Christian, but sin corrects itself - with enough life experience, most of us understand this; Buddhists call it karma.

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enjoy this...don't discard it, nor abandon it...it is something that must be read cover to cover.

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Justine/

[DickHardman]

My friend...let me lead you to something which may pull the wool from your eyes...

enjoy this...don't discard it, nor abandon it...it is something that must be read cover to cover.

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Justine/

is that one of those novels that has a Fabio on the cover??

[Tom Yum]

My friend...let me lead you to something which may pull the wool from your eyes...

enjoy this...don't discard it, nor abandon it...it is something that must be read cover to cover.

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/Justine/

Marquis de Sade? lol.

There's nothing wrong with sucking the marrow out of life and its experiences, but beating young prostitutes ain't my style...