Political Thread/Posts Moved from JKD

[Garland]

By the way, that dim mak curse you put on me has really been helpful. I got a big bonus at work and because of you, I had this idea. I went down to my Congressman's office and offered to give him $1000 as a campaign contribution if he'd paint on the side of a bomb "This Bud's From Dim Mak." I told him it was the nickname of a buddy who was killed by a roadside bomb in order to make it a little sappier. You understand. Anyway, the great news is that he said YES! So your bomb (I'm getting a little emotional here. I promised myself I wouldn't cry) is going to be dropped on Muslim terrorists sometime this week! Your bomb may blow away some high priority target! I mean, sure, there could be some collateral damange, and your bomb might rip some women and kids apart in a devastating fireball, but try not to focus on the negatives here. It's all about the positives. YOUR curse ended up making me richer by several thousand dollars. YOUR curse gave me the idea of making sure I was ready when I was "laid at the feet of all Muslims like a dog." That part was scary, man. So I hope you don't mind that I thought it was cool if I put your name on a 2,000 pound guided bomb that will be used to thin the herd a little and give myself a better shot there at the end.

You rock, little buddy. Good to see you still hanging around.

Oh My Good God! Mike...I have a few friends that would have loved that for Christmas...if there's a war on next year will you put in a word for me? You could start a company, like name a star, you could have one called name a bomb.

Beautiful. I love it. I fucking love it.

[DickHardman]

Oh My Good God! Mike...I have a few friends that would have loved that for Christmas...if there's a war on next year will you put in a word for me? You could start a company, like name a star, you could have one called name a bomb.

Beautiful. I love it. I fucking love it.

sorry bro, but this is already a favorite pasttime of many middleschoolers in isreal, as they clearly enjoy writing nice messages and pictures on bombs that will be dropped on top of densly packed refugee camps....

[DickHardman]

Or rocket sites, tunnels, groups of Hezbollah terrorists...

Dick, you know a lot of military commanders feel it's a good use of resources to attack their enemies. Are you just practicing for a job as propaganda minister at Hezbollah headquarters? You seem to really like painting the Israelis as baby killers.

yes but rejoicing in the death and killing of others is bloodthirsty. getting 10 year old kids hyped up and excited about dropping bombs on top of other human beings seems a bit wrong to me mike. how is that any different than the kids in palestine who are forced to wear military clothes and given toy guns to practice killing israelis?? its bloodthisrty. perhaps these children are being steered in the wrong direction?? im sure there are better activities for them to engage in instead of writing messages on missiles and bombs???

the israelis indoctrinate their children just like the palestinians do. then there are people in america who are doing the same thing here, indoctrinating american kids with extremist ideology, like the cult in the jesus camp documentary. all the same shit everywhere u go.....

[DickHardman]

Mike, you are going to hate this: I am going to side with you on this.

It's nice that Dick hardman posts pictures of little Israeli girls lovingly writing notes on bombs.

But somehow, the video of Daniel Pearl getting his head chopped off bothers me FAR MORE!

Somehow the thought of Jews getting melted down to make soap in Nazi Germany bothers me FAR MORE.

Those kinds of facts seem to get lost in the mix.

so the tragedy of the holocaust, muslim fundamentalists murdering people on video, these things somehow make it ok to raise children to be bloodthirsty?? its ok to make bombing other human beings a national pastime were kids can write loving messages on 5000 lb bombs that are going to be dropped on dense urban populations?????

[DickHardman]

Am I condoning bloodthirsty behavior? In this case, Kind of. More like I am looking the other way.

you talk about your hatred for bloodthirsty muslim fundamentalists, yet you claim to condone bloodthirty behavior. are you trying to pull my chain here??

there are plenty of smart, educated israeli citizens and children who spend there time in more productive ways and dont feel the need to condone bloodthristy behavior, despite the violent environment some of them may live in so dont tell me that the past hardships of a particular group of people make it ok for those of them who choose to condone violence to do so. two wrongs dont make a right homie....

[DickHardman]

I don't want a country where this kind of stuff is okay...

well you may need to move out of america then mike, cause unfortunately this kind of thing goes on in our country as well. kids in our country are being indoctrinated by religious extremists.


its pretty terrible how religion is used to brainwash children and people into believing in and justifying violence and extremism.

[DickHardman]

The obvious difference, Dick, is that the Palestinians make the extermination of the Israelis a founding tenet of the country they want. When religious extrenism indoctrination happens here, it is a decided minority, and almost universally renounced by both law and governming morality.

That stuff was on Prime Time Palestinian TV, and it shows all the time to any and everyone, sponsored and promoted by those who seek to govern - not just by a tiny minority of extremists.

Please, if you will, show me one American TV show that advocates the slaughter of entire races of people. Please show me an American Prime Time TV Show that puts children in front of a camera and calls for the destruction of whole religions. Unless you can, Dick, you need to admit that you're wildly exaggerating the situation.

im not exaggerating anything. i said there are people being brainwashed here in america, as well as all over the world. this is no exaggeration mike.

and yes, there are varying degrees of extremism, some palistinians being among the most extreme. however you may want to take into account that the people being brainwashed by religious fanatics in our country dont live in the same conditions as the palestinians. they live in communities that are way better off than the refugee camps that dont have electricity, food and water, which are constantly having thousand pound bombs dropped on them.... which could for sure account for the difference in levels of extremism. the more desperate people are the more susceptible they are to being recruited and brainwashed by extremists. but pointing out that extremists in palestine are worse than the ones in america doesnt mean we should turn a blind eye or let it grow like mr arieson has suggested.

btw, if you can tune into watch pat robertson on the 700 club, he advocates killing people, bombing our own state department, assassinating other countries leaders, condemns entire groups of people for perceived offenses against god etc......

[DickHardman]

I would love for you to post a video of Pat Robertson telling people to bomb our own State Department.

unfortunately i couldnt find the actual clip of him when he said it on his show, but you can read all about it online if you please....

"In his The 700 Club television program, Pat Robertson has sharply criticized elements of the United States government and "special interest" groups that don't share his views. In interviews with the author of a book critical of the United States Department of State, Robertson made suggestions that the explosion of a nuclear weapon at State Department Headquarters would be good for the country, and repeated those comments on the air. "What we need is for somebody to place a small nuke at Foggy Bottom,"[32] Robertson said during his television program, referring to the location of the State Department headquarters. State Department officials said they believed the comments to be in extremely bad taste, and have lodged official complaints against Robertson for his remarks."

- wicki

[Knuckles&Knees]

Mike, you are going to hate this: I am going to side with you on this.

It's nice that Dick hardman posts pictures of little Israeli girls lovingly writing notes on bombs.

But somehow, the video of Daniel Pearl getting his head chopped off bothers me FAR MORE!

Somehow the thought of Jews getting melted down to make soap in Nazi Germany bothers me FAR MORE.

Those kinds of facts seem to get lost in the mix.

There's a lot of facts that get lost in the mix. This is a martial arts forum and after my last heavy political/religious debate on here I want to try and go easy on the political and religious discussion and focus more commentary on martial arts and fighting and so forth. So, I'm not going to get into a real debate or even a big discussion on here about Israel vs the Palestinians but I will express this view because I think it needs to be stated.

The Israeli nation state is no innocent puppy. Jews (who come in a variety of phenotypes like Latinos) are not the first and have not been the last to be victimized in genocide. In fact during their genocide the Roma (aka Gypsies) were targeted too. No one took other peoples land and gave it to the Roma.

The Puritans were fleeing religious persecution (wrongly or rightly) and today we have the United States of America. A thug empire called the Mexica (aka Aztecs) use to exist until some other Castilian led thugs under the collective title of Espana found them. Now we have mestizos all over down there. No one arms the Amerindians with weapons we just tell them to exist within the lands they historically suffered genocide. Actually, the Israelis treat the Palestinians not unlike White-Americans treated the Amerindians. But then again as if it escapes most peoples notice most those mixed-race Jews leading Israel are European white in phenotype. Which begs the question if mestizos in Peru should be allowed to take Basque land in Spain? Then I ask myself being mulatto and half German if I can jack Germany for half its territory?

My point is this - as the formation of Israel relates to *ethnicity* and *religion* (look at the flag) - the Jews could have lived in the United States (which they do) and in other countries just like the Roma, Amerindians, mulatto, mestizos, and blacks jacked in the Trans Atlantic and Trans Sahara Slave Trade have for centuries and even thousands of years in the case of the Sahara trade.

But then forming Israel historically gave the U.S. and Brits a strategic center of gravity into the Middle East. H*ll, the leading Zionist fathers were originally thought about invading Argentina or a country in Africa. But you can't be the "Holy Land" angle and the right of "blood and soil" which is what Germany and Europe as whole had been killing over for centuries.


That's my 2 cents and I'm done.

(P.S. Though injustice have happened, I strongly support the idea of Israeli and Palestinians living in peace together, nor do I support small Israeli children being blown up. Ultimately Jewish Israelis [as opposed to non-Jewish Israelis] are semitic cousins of the Arabs, they should try and live in peace)

[Knuckles&Knees]

Hey Mike,

I got your PM that this thread was moved over here and your invite for me to contribute/debate more. I sent you a PM back. I'm just mentioning this in case, for whatever reason, the PM doesn't reach you.