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    Before the Christian dismisses atheism as irrational or condemns the atheist as immoral, he should consider the disturbing possibility that the God of Christianity is himself an atheist. And if this is true, it means that the Christian worships, obeys, and had devoted his life to an atheistic being who does not believe in any power superior to himself, never prays, is utterly without faith, and who does not acknowledge any authority, either cognitive or moral, external to himself.

    If theism is loosely defined as belief in a higher power, a mysterious being whose essential nature cannot be understood (whether in whole or in part) by the believer, then God is an atheist. He does not believe in a power higher than himself, nor can there be anything that he fails to understand, for nothing can be unknown or unknowable to an omniscient being.

    If theism is defined as the belief in a supernatural being, then God is an atheist. His own powers, though supernatural from a human point of view, are comprehensible to himself. Everything is "natural" from God's perspective.

    If theism involves a relationship of subordination and dependence between a theist and her object of veneration, the God is an atheist. He is a self-sufficient being who disbelieves in any power greater than himself. He worships nothing, never prays, never seeks forgiveness, and never acknowledges his own errors.

    If theism is the belief in a creator, or first cause, who is ultimately responsible for one's own existence, then God is an atheist. He believes himself to have existed eternally -- though, as Kant suggested, even God must occassionally wonder where he came from.

    If theism involves the belief in an external moral authority, a being whose moral law is obligatory for his creatures, then God is an atheist. He does not believe in a higher law, nor does he think himself capable of doing wrong. He does not regard himself bound to respect the rights of any other being. God is morally autonomous, a law unto himself.

    God therefore is an atheist. Moreover, he is a positive atheist of the most dogmatic variety, for he claims to know with absolute certainty that there exists no being superior to himself. He is never troubled by doubt, never reexamines any of his beliefs, and never feels obliged to justify them.

    This raises some further questions: Why, if God is an atheist, should we suppose that he disapproves of atheism among his creatures? Is not a benevolent father pleased when his children grow up to be like him? And how can the Christian condemn atheism per se without also condemning their atheistic God? Is not the atheist who strives to be like God more admirable than the Christian who merely believes in him?

    Is Satan a Christian?

    Satan is not an atheist -- that much is clear -- for he believes in the God of Christianity. We thus have the intriguing spectacle of a battle between two titans, with God the atheist on the side of good, and Satan the theist on the side of evil. And if the Bible is to be believed, the atheists will ultimately triumph over the theist.

    Is Satan the theist also a Christian? Apparently so, because a Christian is defined in terms of his beliefs, not his actions. Satan clearly believes in the central tenets of Christianity. He believes, for example, that Jesus, the Son of God, was sacrificed to redeem the sins of mankind -- for if Satan does not believe this, why did he tempt Jesus in an effort to sabotage his divine mission? He also believes in the resurrection of Jesus, in the power of God to work miracles, and in the existence of a heaven and a hell, he calls home.

    Satan, a major player in many biblical events, does not have the least doubt about the veracity of God's word. Indeed, it is impossible to name one belief of the best Christian that Satan does not share. We may therefore conclude that Satan is a Christian, despite his rebellious spirit and competitive zeal. No one is perfect, after all.

    -- George H. Smith

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    Interesting but a complete misunderstanding of Christianity.
    If people won't shift their beliefs and opinions about certain concepts in the field of combat due to elegantly argued logical propositions (I allow myself a wry smile here), it's never going to happen over articles of faith.

    I respect the fact that you know your philosophers and, are not a meat head with a literacy level which extends to comic books and pornography however, we'll never agree about religion.

    I say that only to proceed with this debate for intellectual entertainment. Just as long as you realize I see this as something to do rather than having any misplaced notions of winning or loosing an argument.

    Is Satan the theist also a Christian? Apparently so, because a Christian is defined in terms of his beliefs, not his actions. Satan clearly believes in the central tenets of Christianity. He believes, for example, that Jesus, the Son of God, was sacrificed to redeem the sins of mankind -- for if Satan does not believe this, why did he tempt Jesus in an effort to sabotage his divine mission?
    satan believes in Jesus but not that Jesus is his savior. Therefore is not in fact a Christian. Satanists also believe in God and Heaven. Actually he doesn't so much believe Jesus exists, he knows he exists he's met him. It's not about believing Jesus was born, it's believing in Him, believing in his power to save our souls. This presumably satan does not believe, there's no actual scripture which tells us that angels even have souls.

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    • #3
      Well I agree that we will disagree on religion, and I appreciate the compliments, I didn't write this it was emailed to me, but I find that it follows a logical train of thought.


      Most world religions i.e. Christians and Muslims, don't seem to care if logic falls into the equation as log as people do what they are told to do.

      That's why they are called followers and not questioners.

      Jesus was a man therefore any religion based on Jesus (who was actually called Yoshua son of Yusef) is a cult.

      Saying God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all the same person so it's not a cult is a cop out, as much as asking if God can do anything, can God make a rock so big God can't pick it up?

      When Jesus was here and he was called Jesus he was a man. the bible clearly states it. If Satan didn't believe Jesus was a threat he wouldn't have tempted him.

      Therefore Satan did believe in the power of Jesus, he had to otherwise he wouldn't have tried so hard.


      Also satan does believe in God there is no doubt in that what so ever.

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      • #4
        Whoever neg repped me and forgot to sign it please feel free to enter the discussion I'd love to hear your point of view from more than a distance on this subject.

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