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    Senate Bill Would Grant
    FBI Unlimited Access To Gun Sales Records
    From Gun Owners of America
    9-11-5


    Registration leads to confiscation. We all know that, and that is why GOA has vehemently opposed all attempts by government forces to compile or retain information pertaining to lawful firearms purchases.

    But the United States Senate does not appear to see it that way. People on Capitol Hill seem to think that any "edge" in the war on terror is worth trampling on the rights of law-abiding Americans, no matter what the Constitution (and current law) happens to say.

    At issue is a provision in the Patriot Act reauthorization bill (S. 1266) authored by Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS). Now, GOA has long opposed the vast majority of Patriot Act powers as being detrimental to freedom in general and dangerous to gun owners in the particular.

    In short, Sen. Roberts' language would allow the FBI to seize ANY business records it believes would be relevant to an anti-terrorism investigation... without first seeking permission from any court in the land.

    Gun sales are business transactions, and FFL holders must retain copies of the 4473 forms (yellow sheets) filled out on every gun sale. Thus, an anti-gun administration could easily determine that such records would be useful in the fight against terrorism, and demand them all. (In fact, shortly after 9/11, liberal Democrats in Washington were screaming for exactly that.)

    It gets worse. It is conceivable that your local gun dealer would risk his license, his business, and lots of money to protect your privacy and refuse to turn over the records. But under this legislation, the Attorney General could order the dealer NOT TO TELL YOU WHAT IS GOING ON. So that dealer would be the ONLY person who could contest the action before your life is raked over the coals... and honestly, how many among us would risk everything rather than tell the feds who it was that stopped by to pick up a Glock a couple of months ago?

    After having used an "administrative subpeona" (again, not subject to judicial review) to collect all gun purchase records across the country, your friendly anti-gun but oh-so-patriotic government would have brought about the gun owner's second-worst-case scenario: a national firearms registration list.

    Registration leads to confiscation.

    This monstrosity must be stopped. Please take the action requested below, and urge all freedom-loving Americans you know to do the same.

    ACTION: Contact your United States senators. Politely but firmly demand that they oppose the bill to expand the Patriot Act (S. 1266), and specifically, its provision to allow "administrative subpoenas" of all gun records.

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    I know i have posted these before but reread em people...


    "We must get rid of all the guns."
    -- Sarah Brady speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others on "The Phil Donahue Show" September 1994

    "Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
    -- HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January 1994, p.3

    "I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
    -- Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

    "We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"
    -- U.S. Representative Charles Schumer (D/NY) on NBC 12/8/93

    "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
    -- U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

  • #2
    Originally posted by BoarSpear
    http://www.rense.com/general67/rgis.htm

    Senate Bill Would Grant
    FBI Unlimited Access To Gun Sales Records
    From Gun Owners of America
    9-11-5


    Registration leads to confiscation. We all know that-

    I dunno. I have to register my car and da gubment hasn't confiscated it yet.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by jubaji
      I dunno. I have to register my car and da gubment hasn't confiscated it yet.
      Ha ha ha ha....................that was hilarious.

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      • #4
        Very subtle suggestion jubaji, i like the way you think! all we have to do is figure out how to get guns to use oil!

        imagine if every firearm required 3 dollar a gallon gas! (a whole new definition of gas operated firearms) They would be building us HUGE freakin weapons! more and more powerful with every new model! thats great!!!! and the current administration would see that they were never taken away!!
        We need to get right on this since the supreme court will soon be stacked with people happy to support our President!!

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        • #5
          I will NOT! Thank you Ca.

          All the above reasons are why your's truely will not get a CCW permit in Ca. And why I like the barter system, often found in rural counties...

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          • #6
            On one occasion I was informed by a Humboldt Co. Sheriff Deputy ( I don't recall her name) That it is illegal to have a loaded firearm within arm's reach of your front door.

            My response was based on a recent shooting nearby and multiple restraining orders, death threats, etc...

            She left it where she found it.

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            • #7
              As the 19th-century jurist James Paterson remarked in his Commentaries on the Liberty of the Subject and the Laws of England Relating to the Security of the Person:

              "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur."


              Via Jeff Cooper

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              • #8
                "On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being let go."

                "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said.


                "Police fearing deadly confrontations with jittery residents enforced a new order that bars homeowners from owning guns. That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners."

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                interesting side note several people who i train work for Blackwater...
                they are either in N.O now or on the way....and pissed about it....for several reasons...1 all of them feel its a sneaky way to get around the constitution and 2 the pay is one third(only one voiced this complaint to me personally) what they get for for playin in the "Sand boxes" (ill be kicken the one who made that comment in the balls when i see him next ) in his defense he didnt mention it until i asked what the pay was for CONUS work

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