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    Is Iran going to be a seperate war or just another battle ground for World War III? Read the attached article from the usa today dated 1-17/06



    Europeans, U.S. drafting referral for Iran
    VIENNA (AP) — Pressure on Iran intensified Tuesday, with key European countries and the United States moving ahead with plans to refer Tehran to the U.N. Security Council and Israel vowing not to let the Iranians develop nuclear weapons.
    But Russia and China — Iran's past backers — urged negotiations instead of confrontation, casting doubt on whether next month's International Atomic Energy Agency meeting will demonstrate a unified political will.

    A meeting Monday in London produced no agreement among the United States, France, Britain and Germany and Moscow and Beijing on whether to refer the dispute over Iranian nuclear enrichment to the Security Council, which could impose sanctions.

    Past opposition to such action by Russia and China led the Europeans and the United States to postpone referral.

    Russia and China have joined Europe and the U.S. in criticizing Iran's resumption of uranium enrichment. But both would prefer to avoid Security Council involvement and are outright opposed to sanctions. (Related: Nations unite on Iran issue | Q&A: Why is the world concered?)

    A draft text by Britain proposing referral when the IAEA's 35-nation board of directors meets Feb. 2 reflected deference to the Russians and Chinese, stopping short of calls for punitive measures.

    Instead, the text, read in part to The Associated Press by a European diplomat accredited to the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency, urges the 15-nation council to press Tehran "to extend full and prompt cooperation to the agency" in its investigation of suspect nuclear activities.

    It also asks the council to make clear "that additional transparency measures are indispensable" if Iran hopes to prove it does not want to make nuclear weapons.

    The diplomat agreed to share the confidential information only on condition of anonymity.

    The wording of the text is sure to change ahead of the IAEA meeting. Still, the fact that it was calling on the council to send Iran's nuclear file back to the IAEA provided the latest indication the country could escape sanctions.

    Moscow supports calling on Iran to renew a moratorium on uranium enrichment, a possible pathway to nuclear arms. But asked Tuesday whether Russia would be ready to refer Iran to the Security Council for violating the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said other means should be considered first.

    "I don't think that the potential of the IAEA's Governing Board has been exhausted and the European troika has the same opinion," he said, alluding to France, Britain and Germany, which represent the European Union in talks on the issue.

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry took a cautious tone, saying "all relevant sides should remain restrained and stick to solving the Iranian nuclear issue through negotiations."

    Israel — whose right to exist has been denied by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad — took a tough stance.

    In response to a question about Iran, acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said "under no circumstances can Israel allow someone with hostile intentions against us to have control over weapons of mass destruction that can endanger our existence."

    Israel has refused to categorically rule out military strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities. But officials say that's not in the cards anytime soon, and Olmert said Tuesday any Israeli action would be in cooperation with the international community.

    Raising hopes for a compromise, Iran on Monday praised a proposal by Russian President Vladimir Putin to conduct Iranian uranium enrichment in Russia, which would allow for greater international oversight.

    But British officials questioned Tehran's sincerity and said Tuesday that London maintained its stance on the need for Security Council action.

    Russia and China are IAEA board opinion leaders whose voice counts with other nations. They also are veto-wielding members of the Security Council that could block harsh action against Tehran — including economic sanctions, an option backed by the Bush administration.

    European nations have been willing to wait on referral in hopes Tehran's defiance would sway Moscow and Beijing.

    The United States is the key backer of Security Council sanctions, but has thrown its weight behind the Europeans in hopes that time would work on its behalf in hardening anti-Iran sentiment.

    In a Jan. 12 letter to other board nation members that was made available to the AP, Washington's chief delegate to the IAEA, Gregory Schulte, urged them "to vote affirmatively to report Iran to the United Nations Security Council."

    The letter was part of a dossier being circulated by the Americans to support their argument that Iran's main interest is to develop weapons, a diplomat said.

    Iran's case also has been hurt by comments by IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei, who says he is losing patience with Iran for blocking requests for documents, interviews and access to sites to test Iranian claims its nuclear program is peaceful.

    Robert Joseph, U.S. undersecretary for arms control and international security, was in Vienna and planned to meet with ElBaradei before heading to Moscow and Tokyo.

    The path for referral was laid by an IAEA resolution finding Iran in violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty for clandestine nuclear activity.

    That resolution implied Tehran's defiance of calls to freeze enrichment would be the "trigger" for Security Council involvement, a condition met Jan. 10 when Iran removed U.N. seals from its main uranium enrichment facility and resumed research on nuclear fuel — including small-scale enrichment.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Hardball
    Is Iran going to be a seperate war or just another battle ground for World War III? Read the attached article from the usa today dated 1-17/06


    thats the 64 million people question

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BoarSpear
      thats the 64 million people question
      Do you mean people or body bags?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hardball
        Do you mean people or body bags?
        thats the question aint it?...its lookin like body bags though...

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        • #5
          Israel will take care of it. Nothing the US need bother with.

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          • #6
            trust the israelis with american interest/security?? i dont think so...there are 3 terrorist attacks On RECORD commited against american interest BY ISRAEL...hell i would trust the saudis to have our back before i would trust the israelis Israeli/zionist have their interest at heart not ours thats why they will do all they can to see that the fighting spreads...they want help fighting the enemies they created with their own terrorist acts they used to build their nation....you cant expect help from people who already bombed us 3 times to further their own goals...they also sell technology to the chinese enabling them to hit the us with nukes...some allies

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BoarSpear
              trust the israelis with american interest/security?? i dont think so...there are 3 terrorist attacks On RECORD commited against american interest BY ISRAEL...hell i would trust the saudis to have our back before i would trust the israelis Israeli/zionist have their interest at heart not ours thats why they will do all they can to see that the fighting spreads...they want help fighting the enemies they created with their own terrorist acts they used to build their nation....you cant expect help from people who already bombed us 3 times to further their own goals...they also sell technology to the chinese enabling them to hit the us with nukes...some allies
              Is Isreal really that strong to **** with the U.S. like that? Do we know their specific motive for the 3 attacks on us? I always thought we trained and armed Israel.

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              • #8
                I didn't say they had our backs.


                Iran is a bigger threat to Israel than the US. The research labs, the reactor and the people involved will be taken out by Israel because they cannot afford to let Iran have nuclear Capability.

                As for selling info to the chinese. Clinton changed the law and sold our supercomputer technology to China. Mostly you use supercomputers for nuclear testing, targeting, and for code breaking. China hardly needs Israels help when they can get everything they need from us directly.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hardball
                  Is Isreal really that strong to **** with the U.S. like that? Do we know their specific motive for the 3 attacks on us? I always thought we trained and armed Israel.
                  See treelizards post about fear of needing a saftey zone thats why so many israeli's "help' the zionist goal of keeping a saftey net (israel) thing is these zionist assholes attacked american govt offices, hotels where our diplomatic staff and the britians stayed etc.These attacks were then blamed on arabs so we would all seem to have the same evil enemy and support the israeli fledgling nation that was entirely built through terrorism...the first several leaders of their new land were CLEARLY terrorist who killed American and british diplomats families in bombings of hotels where our staff were housed in egypt.

                  Thing is instead of realizing people who mention these things support their own country and are patriots, people try to label you an anti semite...which is a cop out...im pro american, i dont like ANY country that has used terrorism against my nation and attacked our navy...and sells weapons to our enemies...does that sound like a nation you would give billions of dollars a year in aid?

                  This is the type of crap i am pissed about..the middle east is #%&*ed BECAUSE of the tactics the israeli's used to found their nation....the entire situation today is built around them...the trouble now with iran is over israel...Israel used terrrorism against america before any arab ever did...so why did we arm them and support them anyway? We allow the world to get screwed to make this one group happy....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eXcessiveForce
                    I didn't say they had our backs.


                    Iran is a bigger threat to Israel than the US. The research labs, the reactor and the people involved will be taken out by Israel because they cannot afford to let Iran have nuclear Capability.

                    As for selling info to the chinese. Clinton changed the law and sold our supercomputer technology to China. Mostly you use supercomputers for nuclear testing, targeting, and for code breaking. China hardly needs Israels help when they can get everything they need from us directly.
                    israel was selling weapons technology to the chinese...missle guidence ect...things we didnt want the chinese having...they did it anyway, i guess because they appreciate all the free money loans we always give them then, dont make them repay

                    Its shit like this that proves this is all a game...somehow our weapons keep finding their way into the wrong hands and we have to go to war to stop the bad people from having them....then stop giving/selling them to people who we cant trust!! which is everyone else according to sun tzu....; "todays acquaintance, tommorows enemy"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mike Brewer
                      Napoleon also had some interesting points on alliances, as did De Gaulle. I'll let you look them up, though)
                      yeah but neither are examples anyone wants to use sheesh, De gaulle, wasnt he tried for treason and sentenced to death? He sure did a flip flop and decided supporting israel was a mistake eh? he went from helping them PLAN the suez attacks to completly cutting off all ties and calling for them to give back the lands taken from the arabs what do you suppose caused him to react like that? HMMMM funny how some people cant keep allies...(maybe they blew up his countries assetts and blamed it on others too)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mike Brewer
                        Why do you think I didn't want their quotes showing up under my name?

                        Still, they'd have both made Machiavelli proud...
                        I wont bother listing some other people that fit that catagory no sense in beating a dead elephant errrr donkey errr horse

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                        • #13
                          If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck; then it must be a duck.

                          What is stopping this from being a World War? Or is it an undeclared World War?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hardball
                            If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck; then it must be a duck.

                            What is stopping this from being a World War? Or is it an undeclared World War?
                            dont you know the best recipes call for slow cooking? things gotta heat up slowly so the cooks dont get burned

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mike Brewer
                              If you want, drop me your e-mail and I'll forward them to you.
                              Thanks, I read everything. tuck971240@msn.com

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