Force Recon, PNP SAF.... knife video.

[darrianation]

To add another layer of confusion just how much reinforcement do these Marines get? Probably not enough to learn and maintain that level of complex stuff.

Their knife fighting program is only a small component to their overall fighting capability. Why not go for something simpler, more direct, and more practical?

[BoarSpear]

Hmmmm…I don’t know what you are talking about. I don’t ever recall ever advocating locks or posting about “preparation for the military”. If I did it must have been in some other context.

Well now I seem to remember this from you in the skills for a bodyguard thread, after we suggested the military and growing up to the 18 year old you suggested this instead...

Some of the folks I worked with in Iraq had just gotten out of the marines or were former rangers or spec-ops operators, etc. In the mid 90's I worked with a group of guys that were predominately former SEALS and ex/current police detectives. These are the folks that are highly sought after.

I would recommend being in the best physical shape possible and as far as MAs go I would recommend the MMAs. Why? Because it is the perfect supporting base structure in which everything else hinges i.e. gun work, knife work, tactical movements, etc.

***These are recomendations not "absolute" neccessities based on my experience and observations***

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?t=20480&highlight=bodyguard

That jar your memory? You recommended MMA for EVERYTHING from Gun to knife and "Tactical movement" thats fucking fantasy bub, at best a proper stance from boxing is a good idea as a stable platform aside from that MMA training is gonna get you killed in a "Tactical" situation or gun or knife fight....please man thats freakin criminal to even say mma is the best prep for that shit

[darrianation]

I'm not the one advocating chucky grips and attacks, you are, we DONT train for idiots, we train for agressive TRAINED opponents. the stuff about an agressive attacker is OLD NEWS to anyone outside of sports fighting bud. The secret service informed the president LOOOONG ago if the attacker was willing to die to bite his nose off then the president would lose his nose thats why I stress and teach intent and mindsed. Fighting aint a freakin game No shit when the big stereotyped goon attacked you it was intense So exactly what were you doing that allowed a big wrestler to attack you when you had your knife out and between you anyway? Thats the scenario shown on the tape you were dissing...if your blade is between you and the big wrestler and you lost, you were doing some dumb shit, glad you figured that out, perhaps a less tight grip on the knife might allow you to be reactive enough to let him stab himself on the bum rush ...you do understand sidestepping a rush right?

I don't know what you are talking about. Everything you say is toatally disassociated with what I am saying.

The wrestler had a knife!

The idea is anyone beat a fucking retard.

Yea, we did many of the same attacks as those on the tape but we did them at full speed with resisting opponents and shit like what was on the tape the fancy hooking, grabbing shit was disproved. And have also been many other credible folks.

Yes, if someone wants to kill you and has time to formulate a plan and has the recourses to do it, he probably will. That goes without saying.

All I am saying, if you will listen, is that if you think that shit will work then you have been given an inaccurate realty map and as long as you keep testing you method within that flawed realty then you it will be easy for you to miss the dissonance between your training and independent realty.

[darrianation]

MMA ground grappling armbar/kimura are very different from the vids. that wasn't the type of locks I was talking about.

[darrianation]

MMA gives you a multi (albeit unarmed) platform to apply in different ranges of combat. Add to it knives and firearms you have a very complete and robust system for dealing with threats at all ranges.

MMAs has proven to be the premier unarmed fighting system. Tested in the cage, combat, etc.

I'll be happy to argue more tomorrow but I have to go

[BoarSpear]

All I am saying, if you will listen, is that if you think that shit will work then you have been given an inaccurate realty map and as long as you keep testing you method within that flawed realty then you it will be easy for you to miss the dissonance between your training and independent realty.

Yep thats it, I dont train for reality This from the jackass who recommended MMA for "Tactical movement" and gun and knife work...just for the record MMA doesnt usually teach tactical anything and guns and knives are hardly their focus since Helio already explained the bullet proof shield.

BTW drills teach patterens of movement, its up to you to fit the training to reality, without the models to work from your'e just reinvinting the wheel by starting over and if you think the fights are going to look like youre drills or your training then you are in the wrong job in the first place and you might think the MMA's will prepare you for tactical situations and gun and knife fights LOL. I've wasted enough time on you...go educate the 18 years olds who will buy what youre selling because its what they want to hear, be popular, and get people killed go right ahead...MMA for tactical training and guns and knives..BWAHAHAHA

[BoarSpear]

MMA gives you a multi (albeit unarmed) platform to apply in different ranges of combat. Add to it knives and firearms you have a very complete and robust system for dealing with threats at all ranges.

MMAs has proven to be the premier unarmed fighting system. Tested in the cage, combat, etc.

MMA ground grappling armbar/kimura are very different from the vids. that wasn't the type of locks I was talking about.

So exactly which part of MMA would you recommend mid knife fight, or even better tell me about the tactical gunfighting MMA classes you have attended. ah never mind I couldnt care less, what BS youre gonna spout next.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I think he means APPLYING all the knife/gun tactical stuff to MMA training, and then, you have a complete fighting art...not using MMA as a substitute for knife/gun fighting.

[BoarSpear]

I think he means APPLYING all the knife/gun tactical stuff to MMA training, and then, you have a complete fighting art...not using MMA as a substitute for knife/gun fighting.

That isnt what he said, but it doesnt matter anyway, WW2 combatives, line, and scars were replaced with the shit he is saying is the" premier unarmed fighting system." Yet in another post he says WW2 combatives are superior to whats taught today...see the point? He doesnt know what he thinks either...But he sure like writing book sized post and sounding important

[knifethrower]

I think he means APPLYING all the knife/gun tactical stuff to MMA training, and then, you have a complete fighting art...not using MMA as a substitute for knife/gun fighting.

Dude, I like you so don't take this the wrong way but shut the fuk up like me and Tom and just read, man.














On second thought, post away.....this could turn out to be a funny fukin thread--------------

[darrianation]

I think he means APPLYING all the knife/gun tactical stuff to MMA training, and then, you have a complete fighting art...not using MMA as a substitute for knife/gun fighting.

That isnt what he said,

Thats exactly what I said you fucking moron!

And you have totally gone out into left field about the MMA and how I train it. With WWII strikes/ all the nasties/it is the basis or bridge from which every thing else springs such as for knife and gun access in th bad breath range.

More tomorrow!

[Garland]

I too have survived edged weapon assaults..one of which I was naked and outnumbered 2 to one they both had knives... I had a toothbrush

What led up to this attack...with you naked, two guys attacking with knives, and you with a toothbrush???
Did Boarspear do a little time, perchance?

[BoarSpear]

I think he means APPLYING all the knife/gun tactical stuff to MMA training, and then, you have a complete fighting art...not using MMA as a substitute for knife/gun fighting.

Thats exactly what I said you fucking moron!

HMMM someones flustered, he just called his lone supporter a fucking moron, reckon He got upset at being shown to be a loudmouthed idiot who said MMA trains you for tactical movement and gun and knife fighting I BELIEVE YOU MEANT TO INSULT ME COWBOY

PS nice edit trying to keep from lookin' stupid, but I got you again, thats the problem with all the books you're writing...you cant remember what you claimed was best 5 posts ago.

[BoarSpear]

What led up to this attack...with you naked, two guys attacking with knives, and you with a toothbrush???
Did Boarspear do a little time, perchance?

It wasnt a toothbrush shank , I was in the shower during a home invasion by pissed off Gang members from a titty bar where I didnt let them run the girls, they spotted my car and paid me a visit...

[Garland]

It wasnt a toothbrush shank , I was in the shower during a home invasion by pissed off Gang members from a titty bar where I didnt let them run the girls, they spotted my car and paid me a visit...

spooky!