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    WASHINGTON — A clear majority of Americans say Congress should pass a resolution that outlines a plan for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday. Half of those surveyed would like all U.S. forces out of Iraq within 12 months.

    The poll finds support for the ideas behind Democratic proposals that were soundly defeated in the Senate last week. An uptick in optimism toward the war after the killing of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi earlier this month seems to have evaporated.


    Richard Eichenberg, a political scientist at Tufts University who studies presidential polling, says views on Iraq are too set to be changed by momentary developments.

    hhh"The other piece of quote-unquote 'good news' is the unity government in Iraq, but it's not as if we're hearing that they have made great strides in eliminating the militia influence or violence anywhere in Iraq," he says. "There's still a steady drumbeat of bad news."

    Bush's approval rating is at 37%. After hitting the low point of his presidency at 31% in May, it had risen to 38% in early June. His standing, which slipped below 40% in February, hasn't rebounded above that level since then.

    The percentage of Americans who say the president has "a clear plan for handling the situation in Iraq" has dropped to 31%, a new low. That's still higher than the 25% who say congressional Democrats have a clear plan for Iraq.

    The telephone survey of 1,000 adults has an error margin of +/- 3 percentage points.

    In the poll, 57% say Congress should pass a resolution that outlines a plan for withdrawing U.S. troops; 39% say that decision should be left to the president and his advisers.

    Precisely half support withdrawing all U.S. forces immediately or within 12 months, while 41% say the United States should keep troops there for as many years as needed. Eight percent call for sending more troops.

    "The president is not going to conduct the war based on polls," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said when asked about the survey. "His leadership is based on his strategy for victory. A democratic Iraq in the heart of the Middle East will strike a blow to the terrorists and ensure a more peaceful world. As the president has said, we are in it to win."

    Last week, the Republican-controlled Senate defeated two Democratic proposals to begin withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq. A plan by Democrats John Kerry of Massachusetts and Russ Feingold of Wisconsin to pull out all U.S. combat troops over the next 13 months was rejected 86-13.


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    Bombs kill at least 40 in 2 Iraqi cities

    By STEVEN R. HURST AND QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writers 46 minutes ago

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Bombs killed at least 40 people at markets in two Iraqi cities Monday, hours after key lawmakers told The Associated Press that seven Sunni Arab insurgent groups offered the government a conditional truce.


    Despite the fresh opening between the government and the militant organizations — which do not include al-Qaida or Islamic terror groups — a top Iraqi commander said Baghdad's forces would not be ready to keep the peace for at least a year in Anbar province, the insurgent heartland.

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    President Bush brushed aside expectations of a significant U.S. troop drawdown starting in September. He said decisions on troop strength would be made by the new Iraqi government and based upon recommendations from Gen. George W. Casey, the U.S. commander in
    Iraq.

    The latest bombings came as a reminder of just how difficult establishing security can be in many areas of Iraq. Both markets were jammed with shoppers buying dinner provisions as temperatures began to cool after sunset.

    The deadliest attack was a bicycle bombing in Baqouba, the Sunni insurgent stronghold 35 miles northeast of Baghdad. The bombing killed at least 25 and wounded 33, according to Dr. Ahmed Fouad, director of the morgue at Baqouba General Hospital.

    Minutes earlier, a blast killed at least 15 people and wounded 56 in Hillah, a mainly Shiite city 65 miles south of the capital, said police Capt. Muthana Khalid.

    Police reports from across the country listed at least 22 other deaths Monday, victims of sectarian murders or bomb and shooting attacks.

    The seven insurgent organizations who approached the government are mostly made up of former members or backers of
    Saddam Hussein's government, military or security agencies, and were motivated in part by fear of undue Iranian influence in the country, lawmakers said.

    If confirmed, their offer would mark an important potential shift and could stand as evidence of a growing divide between Iraq's homegrown Sunni insurgency and the more brutal and ideological fighters of al-Qaida in Iraq, who are believed to be mainly non-Iraqi Islamic militants.

    Kurdish lawmaker Mahmoud Othman linked the offer to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's national reconciliation plan, involving amnesty for opposition fighters except those who had killed Iraqis, were involved in terrorism or committed crimes against humanity. Al-Maliki's plan, disclosed Sunday, was thought to have denied amnesty to any insurgent who had killed American forces, though the wording was vague.

    The Mujahedeen Shura Council, the terrorist umbrella organization that includes al-Qaida in Iraq, rejected the reconciliation plan.

    "The servant of the crusaders, Nouri al-Maliki, has come forward with a new, sinister project aimed at extracting his crusader overlords from their morass," the organization said in an Internet statement.

    Shiite lawmaker Hassan al-Suneid, who first reported insurgent groups' gesture, said al-Maliki was considering a possible meeting with their leaders or contacts through intermediaries. Al-Suneid is a member of the political bureau of al-Maliki's Dawa Party.

    The opening was confirmed by Othman, a close associate of President Jalal Talabani, who held face-to-face talks with seven insurgent organizations about two months ago. It was never clear which groups Talabani met with.

    Al-Suneid gave the names of six of the seven organizations that approached the government Monday: the 1920 Revolution Brigades, the Mohammed Army, Abtal al-Iraq (Heroes of Iraq), the 9th of April Group, al-
    Fatah Brigades and the Brigades of the General Command of the Armed Forces.

    "I expect that those groups are the same ones that have made contacts with President Talabani, and now they are widening the range of their contacts. Now they are more serious after the announcement of the (reconciliation) plan," al-Suneid told the AP.

    Othman was unable to name the groups or say whether they were the same ones Talibani had contacted. But he said they also sought talks with U.S. forces.

    "They want negotiation with the Americans. The seven groups have real fears of the Iranian influence. They think that the Americans will eventually leave, but
    Iran is a neighbor and is not going anywhere," he said.

    Many Arabs agree with the U.S. government that Iran, a majority Shiite Muslim country run by a fundamentalist theocracy, has undue influence in Iraq, also a majority Shiite nation. Many Iraqi Shiites — including current religious and political leaders — spent years in exile in Iran.

    One of the seven groups, the 1920 Revolution Brigades, operates primarily in Anbar province. The organization claims it has conducted operations only against U.S. forces. They and other insurgents were said to have protected polling places in Anbar province during December parliamentary voting.

    Another group, the Mohammed Army, is made up of former members of Saddam's Baath party, members of his elite Republican Guards and former military commanders. It, too, has focused attacks on the U.S. military and played a role in the November 2004 battle for Fallujah.

    "The groups have said they are ready to lay down their arms, but they have some conditions. The al-Maliki initiative could help them to enter the political process," Othman said. He would not detail the insurgents' conditions.

    A meaningful truce with insurgents would make it much easier for the United States to withdraw troops from Iraq.

    Regardless of insurgents' plans, Brig. Gen. Jaleel Khalf estimated it would take a year for the Iraqi army assume control of Anbar province. And he called that estimate "optimistic under the best of circumstances."

    Khalf's timeframe closely aligns with forecasts from the U.S. military.

    "I don't think by this winter we'll be quite ready to turn over completely" to Iraqi forces, Army Col. Sean MacFarland said recently. He commands the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division that oversees Ramadi. Ramadi, with a population of 400,000, is Iraq's largest Sunni city.

    Khalf said the Iraqi army would need about 15,000 soldiers to control the vast province that spreads like a fan from Baghdad to the Saudi Arabian, Jordanian and Syrian borders. The Iraqi Defense Ministry says it now has about 12,000 soldiers in Anbar.

    "If our forces are built on a proper foundation and equipped with modern weapons and materials such as heavy artillery, mortars, and new light weapons that are held by the world's modern armies, we could take over security in Anbar in about a year," he said.

    Iraqi military preparedness has come under intense focus in recent days after reports that Casey had developed a withdrawal plan that could see American troop strength reduced by two brigades in September. The plan was said to include cutting total American forces, now at about 127,000, by about half at the end of 2007.

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    • #3
      Then many of your post are in trouble too but alas I'm in the majority in all the places it counts...speaking of which, where you been?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mike Brewer
        Things have been....busy. I'll likely be conspicuously absent for some time to come. I hate to say it, but the needs of the day are taking precedence over the wants of the man. It sucks, but I am likely to be scarce over the next several weeks! I've realized that the forum is something of an addiction, and it's hard for me to live my day-to-day life without wondering what's going on here. But it is summer, and I'm finding myself in the woods a lot of late. It's okay, my friend. I always know the forum is in good hands so long as you're here to keep tabs. I can honestly say there are - well, no one, actually - that I've never met personally and yet trust so much as you, Boar. Please take that as the compliment it was intended to be.

        Life is just keeping me busy (and happy) lately. I'll be back more regularly when there's less sunshine to enjoy!
        Dude I'm drinking cabo with students, you're gonna embarrass me if I tear up, but the feelings mutual...thanks brother.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mike Brewer
          HA!

          I've been getting purposefully shitfaced myself. I'm nine shots into a bottle of decent Canadian Whiskey (and I've already had to re-type this damned sentence five times because of it). Good to know I'm not alone in my "Iron Liver" training!
          yeah one of my guys went on vacation for 10 days and showed up with a bottle a Cabo...its dead and KOTF and everyone but stabby and I are horizontal

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mike Brewer
            A toast:

            "To men who would die for ideals that others are content to talk about, and for the freedoms we take for granted every day; may they win their days and come home to us all, mission accomplished, for their safety and success, we pray!"

            On three, brother...my rum and your cactus juice...

            One...

            Two...

            Three!!

            I'll drink to that. And see you one for our brothers who cant have one but need it right now.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mike Brewer
                Alrighty, then. For them, here's to suffering through Vodka with green food coloring in a Listerene bottle. (Don't tell me you never tried it when you were there!)

                One more!

                Hah I was a sailor we had "bug juice" koolade and the alcohol used to clean the canopies on the birds

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