? for Mr.Mike, R.O.K. hand to hand

[jubaji]

they are trained in TKD and Hapkido with more emphasis on killing and maiming techniques

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[jubaji]

dozens and dozens eh?......id have to say your stretching the truth AGAIN jubaji...............dozens and dozens eh?

Exactly what problem do you have? Dozens and dozens is, if anything, an understatement.

[Tom Yum]

Going on what's available online

The ROK special forces originally trained in TKD and Kum do from the 50's to the 70's. Thereafter, they integrated several Korean and Chinese styles into their system - called Tukong Musool, which integrated more close quarter sweeps, chokes, vital strikes and improvised weapons.

[georgie]

Like anything else, generalizations about the Korean military are a bad idea. All South Korean men are required to serve in the military so, as with any large population sample, most will not be great hand to hand fighters.

I know dozens and dozens of people who have served in the South Korean military and I have to say that the majority of them have not spoken highly of TKD nor consider themselves great hand to hand fighters

dozens and dozens eh?......id have to say your stretching the truth AGAIN jubaji.......the truth is they are probably the toughest marines in the world because they spend more time learning hand to hand than other military units......its their bread and butter training and always has been ...heres a link .....http://experts.about.com/e/r/re/repu...rine_corps.htm...

they are trained in TKD and Hapkido with more emphasis on killing and maiming techniques than your avg mcdojo TKD........dozens and dozens eh?

[GonzoStyles]

Like anything else, generalizations about the Korean military are a bad idea. All South Korean men are required to serve in the military so, as with any large population sample, most will not be great hand to hand fighters.

I know dozens and dozens of people who have served in the South Korean military and I have to say that the majority of them have not spoken highly of TKD nor consider themselves great hand to hand fighters. Are there great fighters in the Korean military? It would seem unreasonable to suggest otherwise, but no group ought be idealized, no matter what agenda it serves.

Does it have to serve any "Agenda" cant we just use it as an example to show that all combat systems have there merits and effective practitioners?

[treelizard]

True. But like we've explored before, any technique and any system is secondary to the man using it (or woman, TL...) and the method by which it's trained.

Heh, that must mean Mike knows about my closet TKD expertise.

just kidding

[Guro Dave Gould]

Hi guys,

I thought that I would make a comment on the R.O.K. H2H thread. I was one of the first outside (Non Asian) Instructors to be flown in to train them in Martial Arts other than their own Korean Disciplines. I was flown in to train them in aspects of Lameco Eskrima in 1999 and 2000.

I was flown in to train the R.O.K. Special Operation Forces at their Compound at Songnam, South Korea by SFC Kevin Underwood and SFC Jeff Guthrie both LNO`s for our forward deployment the 1st U.S. Army Special Forces Det. in Korea. It took some persuasion to get them to participate initially as Koreans are very proud people and some what skeptical at times. Although I wont reply in specifics I will say that I was very impressed with their work ethic noting that every team member which I trained took the training very seriously and each soldier always gave me 100 percent of their attention and potential in training at all times. Each time I left Korea with a deeper respect for the Korean Spec. Ops. Community as a whole concerning empty hand combatives.

In those two years I worked with components of all of their Special Operations Brigades to include their CT team (707) for a week of training at a time. After 2000 I never returned to Songnam but Since than very capable Filipino Masters such as Christopher Ricketts and Ray Floro have been flown into the Songnam compound to continue their training.

Before I and others were flown in to train them their Combative Martial Arts Program was mostly made up of Korean Martial Arts leaning heavily on Hapkido, Tang soo do, Kum do and Tae Kwon do. Now they integrate all effective martial art disciplines to include grappling, ground fighting, Filipino Martial Arts and really anything of value. I hope that this helps, ciao.

Guro Dave Gould.

[jubaji]

Like anything else, generalizations about the Korean military are a bad idea. All South Korean men are required to serve in the military so, as with any large population sample, most will not be great hand to hand fighters.

I know dozens and dozens of people who have served in the South Korean military and I have to say that the majority of them have not spoken highly of TKD nor consider themselves great hand to hand fighters. Are there great fighters in the Korean military? It would seem unreasonable to suggest otherwise, but no group ought be idealized, no matter what agenda it serves.

[bigred389]

That said, the TKD they use is not the TKD that most people think of when they think TKD.

http://www.mca-marines.org/Gazette/2005/05durand.html

Here's a link to an article relating the current MCMAP to the TKD of ROK units fighting in Vietnam.

"When the action stopped shortly after dawn, 104 enemy bodies lay within the wire, many of them eviscerated or brained."

As you can see...they were using entrenching tools, bayonets, and rifle butts to kill the Vietnamese as well.

[GonzoStyles]

Roger that!!!

[GonzoStyles]

Thans for the reply Mr.Brewer, its just whenever people bash TKD I tell them that the ROK has an awesome reputation as soldiers so I tell them I would be careful who I talk trash about TKD in front of.

[GonzoStyles]

Mr. Mike what is your opinion on ROK hand to hand if you have any knowledge of it. I have always heard the ROK forces spoke of with admiration by our service members who have had the honor of serving alongside them. Thank you for your time.

ROK=republic of Korea