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    shootout with police
    POSTED: 9:17 a.m. EST, November 22, 2006
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    ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Narcotics officers were justified in returning fire on a 92-year-old woman they shot to death as they tried to serve a warrant at her house, a police official said.

    Neighbors and relatives said it was a case of mistaken identity. But police said the woman, identified as Kathryn Johnston, was the only resident in the house at the time and had lived there for about 17 years.

    Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in shooting once they were fired upon. (Watch niece's fury at police shooting )

    As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m. Monday, a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman.

    One was hit in the arm, another in a thigh and the third in a shoulder. The officers were taken to a hospital for treatment, and all three were conscious and alert, police said.

    Sarah Dozier, identified as a niece of the woman, told WAGA-TV that there were never any drugs at the house.

    "My aunt was in good health. I'm sure she panicked when they kicked that door down," Dozier said. "There was no reason they had to go in there and shoot her down like a dog."

    The Rev. Markel Hutchins, a civil rights leader, said Johnston's family deserves an apology.

    "Of the police brutality cases we've had, this is the most egregious because of the woman's age," Hutchins said.

    Hutchins said he would try to meet with Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington and would also meet with lawyers.

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    Six of 10 schools have supplied officers with the weapons, but only UCLA police can stun noncombative suspects.

    Six of 10 schools have supplied officers with the weapons, but only UCLA police can stun noncombative suspects.
    By Rong-Gong Lin II, Times Staff Writer
    November 22, 2006

    Police officers on six UC campuses carry Taser guns, but UCLA appears to be alone in expressly allowing officers to stun not only violent suspects but those who are passively resisting their orders.

    In interviews Tuesday, top officials at university police departments across the state stressed that officers should be given discretion when using Tasers but said they thought the weapons should be used primarily against suspects who posed a physical risk.

    "They are not allowed to use it on a passive person," Orville King, UC San Diego's police chief, said of his officers. "It's not to be used on a restrained person unless a person poses a threat of serious bodily injury."

    UCLA's police rules allow officers to use Tasers on suspects engaging in passive resistance, which is what police said 23-year-old senior Mostafa Tabatabainejad was doing last week.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mike Brewer
      I've been shot with a Taser in training, and it was no fun at all. On the upside, there are literally NO after effects.

      Tabatabainejad? How Iranian is that name?! I wonder what he was protesting? From his name, he's a descendant of one of the most powerful Grand Ayatollahs ever...

      One more reason not to live in California.

      As for the old lady who got shot, I completely understand the outrage on the part of the family, but what the hell are cops supposed to do after three of them take rounds? I hate to say it, but looking at it objectively, they did the right thing.

      Further research shows the student was acting like an ass and the security guard had been fired from the police previously for using his taser as a debating tool once too often - so no good guys. Still, tasering a student because he won't leave the library isn't exactly professional conduct.

      As for the shooting... It sounded ugly when I first read it, but I guess I have to agree... if someone's shooting, the cops don't have a lot of choice but to shoot back. Bad deal all round.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mike Brewer
        I've been shot with a Taser in training, and it was no fun at all. On the upside, there are literally NO after effects.

        Tabatabainejad? How Iranian is that name?! I wonder what he was protesting? From his name, he's a descendant of one of the most powerful Grand Ayatollahs ever...

        As for the old lady who got shot, I completely understand the outrage on the part of the family, but what the hell are cops supposed to do after three of them take rounds? I hate to say it, but looking at it objectively, they did the right thing.
        How many people die from being over zealously tazed by the police? I'd say death is a considerable after effect.

        If I was chilling at my house, and somebody kicked the door down in plain clothes...I'd fire. How the hell would you be sure that they were in fact police officers? I say if you're going to kick down a door...send uniformed officers, and make DAMN sure you announce yourself and make yourself known before entering. If they don't answer...wait outside for them to come out, and keep tapping, calling, etc. until you get an answer.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mike Brewer
          I don't know, honestly. When I went through the course and got zapped, there had been no accidental deaths reported from Taser use, and only minor side effects on people with diseases like epilepsy. I did hear about some defects, and Taser stock plummeting a while back, but to be honest, I didn't look into it because it wasn't a real topic of interest. Are people dying from Tasers on a regular basis now?
          Yep...I'll try and find exact figures, but I know some kid died a few weeks ago.

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          • #6
            Tazer use in restraint related deaths (peer reviewed article)
            This is the largest review of Taser-related fatalities reported in the medical literature. The findings are consistent with prior studies, suggesting a high frequency of restraint-related and excited delirium-related fatalities.


            Tazer Danger (CBS news)


            Amnesty International article


            Seattle Pi article


            Az Central report article



            I'll try and find some other, more academic sources.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Mike Brewer
              Things will still happen, but I have to believe thta if the cop is in the right and using it against a resisting suspect, then even if it does go bad, the cop isn't "abusing" his authority.

              Additionally, when considering rates of tasering deaths and injuries, one needs to compare them to similar statistics involving the club/nightstick/mag-light which the taser replaced.

              I suspect the rate of injury is higher when the suspect/victim is beaten AND the taser is a more effective fight-stopper.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Mike Brewer

                One more reason not to live in California.
                sorry for being off topic, but whats wrong with california? its pretty laid back over here.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by Mike Brewer
                  I lived there for a while and it's just a little too facist in enforcing it's "laid-backness" for me. I think they lost me when they satrted trying to take my guns away.
                  so is it the anti gun laws in california you dont like?

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Mike Brewer
                    I lived there for a while and it's just a little too facist in enforcing it's "laid-backness" for me. I think they lost me when they satrted trying to take my guns away.
                    California uber alles.

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