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  • Resistance37
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    I know i'll get alot of skepticism for this and dunno how many of you have seen these.

    YouTube - Shaolin Monks -Training

    YouTube - Shaolin Monks - Qi Gong


    "Chi movements in the body can be tracked by a heat detector."

    Hope this gives you some type of personal closure at least. :]

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  • Tant01
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    Tao and Tantra / Trancendence philosophy.

    Originally posted by BoarSpear
    Uh OH...Okay lemmie preface this blasphemy by stating im a Taiji/baqua guy
    The ENTIRE connection to the I ching and the Triagrams was made by the scholors who couldnt fight but wanted to contribute to the art .... No two styles use the same discription of the relationships....because none of them make sense...i have tried to find correlations, there arent any.

    Ive gotta go but Im sure that will start some discussion i can continue when i get back...

    If you look (very) deep into the history of the Tao, yin/yang and some mystical cults of Chinese arts (and medicine) you will find "myths" about the Yellow Emperor... Huang-Ti (2697-2598 B.C.) and his three special advisors, Su-nui, (the plain girl) Tsai-nui, (the harvest girl) and Shuen-nui (mystery girl). The links to traditional Chinese martial arts, medicine, breathing (Qi-gong) and T'ai Chi Ch'uan can all find common thread to this Yellow Emperor and his doctor, Pong Tsu... The book Su-Nui Ching (named after the plain girl) is one of the oldest medical texts.

    Martial arts were often used as a metaphor to keep some things secret from the lower class.


    Or something...





    Just my theory...

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  • BoarSpear
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    Originally posted by gong fu
    boar? i know there is alot of mystic BS tangled up into chinese martial arts. but i got the impression just then that you dont think qi exists?
    explain?


    peace.
    got chi? of course you do, so does everyone else, can you cultivate it? sure.
    Will it help you win fights? I doubt it....i have never considered chi anything more than a side effect of the training...health? hey if you practice martial arts every day you should be healthy....But since i train to fight, and i dont expect chi to help that, i dont focus on chi

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  • gong fu
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    Originally posted by BoarSpear
    Uh OH...Okay lemmie preface this blasphemy by stating im a Taiji/baqua guy
    The ENTIRE connection to the I ching and the Triagrams was made by the scholors who couldnt fight but wanted to contribute to the art The scholors all but destroyed Taiji and baqua by trying to incorporate mystical BS. These jerks sat around drinking warm beverages and spinning fantastic tales of superhuman ability and supernatural forces....someone should have pointed out scholors dont do martial arts, warriors do but hey the scholors had to get laid too right? so they acted like they had great secrets hidden in a mystical art to gain attention...truth of the matter was like most scholors their true skills were in fancy words not fighting ability...

    No two styles use the same discription of the relationships....because none of them make sense...i have tried to find correlations, there arent any.

    Ive gotta go but Im sure that will start some discussion i can continue when i get back...


    boar? i know there is alot of mystic BS tangled up into chinese martial arts. but i got the impression just then that you dont think qi exists?
    explain?


    peace.

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  • BoarSpear
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    Originally posted by shaolin-warrior
    I hope this helps, I just finished reading John Bracy's book Ba Gua Hidden Knowledge in the Taoist Internal Martial Art. They speak in depth about qi. I don't profess to know anything about the subject of Ba Gua, but from what I've read, their movements are designed to nourish qi and prevent disease. Now if anyone can help me, I'm left with an interrpertation that qi has a direct coorilation with the principles of opposites and that the spirit of Ba Gua is contained in I-Ching. Now does I-ching relate to the physical as well as the spiritual? And if so, the key to understanding or experiencing qi is a bridge between the two? (spiritual and phisical)
    Uh OH...Okay lemmie preface this blasphemy by stating im a Taiji/baqua guy
    The ENTIRE connection to the I ching and the Triagrams was made by the scholors who couldnt fight but wanted to contribute to the art The scholors all but destroyed Taiji and baqua by trying to incorporate mystical BS. These jerks sat around drinking warm beverages and spinning fantastic tales of superhuman ability and supernatural forces....someone should have pointed out scholors dont do martial arts, warriors do but hey the scholors had to get laid too right? so they acted like they had great secrets hidden in a mystical art to gain attention...truth of the matter was like most scholors their true skills were in fancy words not fighting ability...

    No two styles use the same discription of the relationships....because none of them make sense...i have tried to find correlations, there arent any.

    Ive gotta go but Im sure that will start some discussion i can continue when i get back...

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  • shaolin-warrior
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    I hope this helps, I just finished reading John Bracy's book Ba Gua Hidden Knowledge in the Taoist Internal Martial Art. They speak in depth about qi. I don't profess to know anything about the subject of Ba Gua, but from what I've read, their movements are designed to nourish qi and prevent disease. Now if anyone can help me, I'm left with an interrpertation that qi has a direct coorilation with the principles of opposites and that the spirit of Ba Gua is contained in I-Ching. Now does I-ching relate to the physical as well as the spiritual? And if so, the key to understanding or experiencing qi is a bridge between the two? (spiritual and phisical)

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  • shadowkiller
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    My experience with Ki is that it is just a focus. Focus's on one part of the body like say the end of your fingers. There your focusing Ki. My experience in this subject is limited, but having trained in Ki society aikido with ki being the major theme through out the entire system, its rather interesting what you can do with it. It can make you very stable or very weak depending on what your focus is. Like if you are focusing on something that makes you nervous you are focusing bad ki and vice versa.

    Its a pretty basic concept but most people just disbelieve what they cannot see.

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  • kljohnson
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    Ki is something very real with many names and many forms. The only way to know this is to feel it, and to feel it your mind has to be open to it. It is easy to discredit something you cannot prove. I myself have felt Ki, and it is definitely not something to take lightly. Being a rational person I sometimes can't stop myself from thinking that it must be my imagination, or there is some other rational explination, but the more you feel it the more you know it can't be rationalized, only felt. Keep an open mind when doing an exercise, and the experience will be that much better, and gong fu (?sp) is offering you and excellent exercise!
    Last edited by kljohnson; 12-14-2005, 10:20 AM. Reason: spelling

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  • gong fu
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    Freedom

    ok do this, calm yourself control your breathing get it in sync with your movements and center yourself, then bring your hands to just below your navel, then imagine a ball in your hands starting off really small, close your eyes and move your hands slowly upwards close to your body breathing in sync with the movements, then move the ball around slowly keeping everything i said in mind, then slowly expand the ball imagine a light comming from inside your stomach move it up into your chest then arms then hands then intot he space in between your hands making the ball, then expand the ball imagine it and step in coordination with the breathing going down into a lower stance,


    thats called energy ball technique, thats a basic thing i have to go now ile teach you more soon.

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  • bbbb
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    We learnt:-

    The five element's of fighting are:

    1. Kill (Sensitivity).

    2. Maher (Stance).

    3. Geng (Forward driving power).

    *4. Sun (Correct Attitude).

    5. Hay (Breathing).

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  • bbbb
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    Originally posted by Oreomeister365
    theres a saying that circulates often in these forums:

    "If your chi is not doing this:
    http://nintendoforever.free.fr/SNes/...rosseboule.jpg
    then you HAVE no chi.
    -Confucious"
    Aaaaahhh: Ray's to infinity...

    Try www.bodymindandmodem.com!

    This is an aikido website explaining Ki as the mind(I think!?).

    They say to extend Ki- meaning to be positive alway's, even in the most negative of sitution's: and when you realise hopelessness, to then realise that this is JUST/ONLY a negative attitude. The most negative of situation's is when you can actually develop this positive mind the most.

    "...Strive toward's the light side and the power of the flow will keep them in harmony".(The poem of the Tao).

    Someone showed me a "breathing exercise" involving imagining red ray's shooting out of your palm's...and they meet at infinity...NOW WHERE IS THAT AGAIN. I find this a good one for relaxation!!

    This was obviously to develop the power of the mind...or maybe it was just to relax ..or maybe they are one and the same. HMMMMMMNNN

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  • WhiteTiger
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    that last thing I dont think is Ki. I just think its the muscels in youre body relaxing after training and that endorfines are streaming through youre body. I get that all the time to. But there are many Qi Gong and Kyusho exercises that do that you can feel Ki easyer and so on.

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  • Drunken Munky
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    I would say of course you have Chi, with out it you would die (or so they say).

    Some people translate Chi as blood, oxygen or energy.

    When people perform Chi Gong, and find that after a few months of practice there hands start to warm up etc... this is because practicing Chi Gong improves yout circulation, hence more blood flows more effectivly to you hands, and since blood is at body temp, and more is passing through your hands. Your hands warm up, and also your body aswell. Practicing Chi Gong also enriches your blood with more oxygen which can lead to many things.

    But IMO I haven't had enough experience to talk about Chi, and am confused to know why I am submitting this post.

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  • Freedom
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    I once read that it can be felt as a warm glow of contentedness (sp). I used to get a strange feeling after i trained (MA). I felt so happy and stress free and content. I did not have a care in the world and i was so relaxed. I don't get this feeling anymore when i train, whether it doen't happen or i've got used to it by now. That also could have been ki, it was however a completely different feeling than the one originally mentioned in this thread.

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  • WhiteTiger
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    nope no sarcasam...Havent you ppl fellt Ki before?..Or tested arts like Qi Gong or Kyusho?...Ki is real how strange it my seam. But if you think: o this will never work, it dosent work. Becouse its afektet by the mind.
    Sry for the spellling.

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