effects of achocal on power

[southpaw14]

hey, i was just talking to my mom about most of the guys who id end up getting in fights with are major druggies and are drunk most of the time. She mentioned that there alot more powerful when there drunk, i have heard this before and i recently though about it and dont understand. What in achocal gives you strength? is it just a myth? or some sorta brain imbalance to make you become the hulk ?

[eXcessiveForce]

it removes inhibitions.

so you don't think (hmmm i don't know if I can win this) or (hmm that guy is a profighter but I think I can take him)

It also deadens pain so they will not necessarily react to damage taken during a fight

[BoarSpear]

Alcohol relaxes them and often times gives the courage and the ability to withstand some abuse and not notice it, till mornin however it also impairs clear thought and motor skills. ask any bouncer drunks dont give sober fighters much to worry about, sure they swing harder but they miss more often with slower recovery time and poor balance. Drugs are another story. Someone that is stoned, or trippin on acid/shrooms, meth etc is going to be stronger and faster and extremely focused... on you. uh oh.

[Tupacalypse]

It does not make one stronger, but makes them more sustainable to pain since their mind is in a state of... well, I don't know what it's called, but it's something. Anyhow, there are it's advantages, since level 1 pressure points will become useless, but if you can use a level 3 reflex pressure point, which I used once to release a reflex on my foe to do level 1 pain pressure point, then you'll be fine. This may not make sense to you, but do some research on the 3 levels of P.P's and you'll find out ways of taking down opponents in seconds.

[southpaw14]

Drugs are another story. Someone that is stoned, or trippin on acid/shrooms, meth etc is going to be stronger and faster and extremely focused... on you. uh oh.

Drugs make you faster and stronger and focused? Are you sure? Iv been with some people who were way out there and they couldnt seem to focus on one thing for very long. Thanks everyone for responses

[Garland]

Alcohol relaxes them and often times gives the courage and the ability to withstand some abuse and not notice it, till mornin however it also impairs clear thought and motor skills. ask any bouncer drunks dont give sober fighters much to worry about, sure they swing harder but they miss more often with slower recovery time and poor balance. Drugs are another story. Someone that is stoned, or trippin on acid/shrooms, meth etc is going to be stronger and faster and extremely focused... on you. uh oh.

...eh...somethings, okay...others...a resounding "hell fucking no".

stimulants make people wirey and jumpy...pretty much fucking up all fine motor function.
Alchohol in large doses messes up motor function, balance, and coordination.
Halucenogens will simply mess them up. My god...picking a fight on acid or mushrooms...you'd have the worst experience of your life.
Ecstacy would probably be easier to fight on, since the stimulant effects are pretty much leveled out by the other synergistic effects of the drug.
Pain killers would be the best, though...and not the IV or oral types...seeing as they can also cause depression of the CNS and some (Lortab, O.C., heroin...etc etc) will **** up your breathing and cause stomach irritation.
Someone smoking alot of pot...well that's relative...some people it may not effect while others could just act like a wirey guy on stimulants or like they're drunk and complacent. (in which case, leave the poor guy alone, asshole)

now...PCP is different as is ketamine because they are halucenogenic tranquilizers that also have a somewhat polarized effect on most people (they are meant to be used on animals).

The whole thing is mind over matter...
maintain.

[Blue Wave Gym]

Lol

just ask mark kerr about fighting on drugs also ask aron pryor

[BoarSpear]

...eh...somethings, okay...others...a resounding "hell fucking no".

stimulants make people wirey and jumpy...pretty much fucking up all fine motor function.
Alchohol in large doses messes up motor function, balance, and coordination.
Halucenogens will simply mess them up. My god...picking a fight on acid or mushrooms...you'd have the worst experience of your life.
Ecstacy would probably be easier to fight on, since the stimulant effects are pretty much leveled out by the other synergistic effects of the drug.
Pain killers would be the best, though...and not the IV or oral types...seeing as they can also cause depression of the CNS and some (Lortab, O.C., heroin...etc etc) will **** up your breathing and cause stomach irritation.
Someone smoking alot of pot...well that's relative...some people it may not effect while others could just act like a wirey guy on stimulants or like they're drunk and complacent. (in which case, leave the poor guy alone, asshole)

now...PCP is different as is ketamine because they are halucenogenic tranquilizers that also have a somewhat polarized effect on most people (they are meant to be used on animals).

The whole thing is mind over matter...
maintain.

hate to burst your bubble, but ever heard of the zulu? they fought on DMT, mushroom tea... i have personally trained and fought under the influence of mushrooms on mutliple occasions (in my younger days). i also participated in an informal study of trained ma on various substances in order to evaluate pp usage on drugged individuals. There was a formal study done several years ago where bjj players who knew and competed against each other and usually fought to a draw rolled while one tripped and one did not... the player on shrooms repeatedly thrashed the non-tripping partner. later on the non-tripping fighter said the guy tripping was stronger, and faster than usual and also seemed to sense his techniques...i have been trying to find the study so i can post it. it depends on the person. some people focus well on enthogenics some dont. try working in a biker bar, i throw out the same people quite often, when they are high they struggle more and can produce more power than usual...sure some people toke and giggle (same with harder drugs)...if they are not performance enhancers why do they take your gold medal for using them? if i tried to snowboard in the olympics wearing a brick around my neck i doubt it would be illegal...its a disadvantage to me so who cares. However...if i smoke a joint im out...if being high is a disadvantge i should not be capable of winning, right? if i win on them by your standards, either it WAS an enhancer (my point) or i am so good i won in spite of the handicap. if your point is i won in spite of the handicap you might wanna quit whining since by your standards ill kick your ass even worse when im sober. think about this for a minute. now that being said i am not recommending drug use...just pointing out, my experiences in the real world are counter to your opinions in this thread.

[BoarSpear]

[QUOTE=Garland

now...PCP is different as is ketamine because they are halucenogenic tranquilizers that also have a somewhat polarized effect on most people (they are meant to be used on animals).

.[/QUOTE]

this is vague, surely you are not implying that pcp is a tranquilizer and therefore these people are not a problem!

[Garland]

this is vague, surely you are not implying that pcp is a tranquilizer and therefore these people are not a problem!

no...I remember I said it has a polarized effect on people.
Same with ketamine to some extent...otherwise it wouldn't be a favorite of candy ravers across the world.

and...you are right, the use of enthogens and their effect on people varies greatly...the psychological effect of most drugs are relative because everyone has a different chemical balance in their brain.

Also...things change.
Try taking mushrooms a great deal now...and I guarantee you every experience will not be the same...one of those days you fight booming will end very VERY poorly...
keep doing it and you'll have a bad trip eventually, although alot of that is location and whatever else comprises your surroundings, and what your focus is on.

[BoarSpear]

one of these days im gonna have a bad trip....okay lets look at that statement for a moment. I have uh retired from my research of the mind/body effects of intoxicants while engaged in extracurricular activities but in a little over oh 500 tripps that never left the farm the only bad one was due to the pcp laced joint from the "well meaning friend". never a flashback (still hopin) . No bad trips some uncomfortable ones sure...they dont call shrooms "little clowns" and "flesh of the Gods" fer nothin Back to this one of these day your gonna have a bad trip...do you ski, surf, skate or snowboard? ride a bike? well one of these days your gonna have a bad trip too. Now mezcal while running advanced class is still a occasional thing. gotta watch out for the broken glass during those classes. Bad day for ground fighting according to chinese calandar

[GonzoStyles]

Mezcal is liquor distilled from agave, i believe you are talking about mescaline.

sounds like you should check out "Clear body,Clear mind" it is a book on the program developed by the sci-fi author L. Ron hubbard used to detox heavy hallucinogenic drug users when he was working at a Psych clinic, of course it also helps eliminate heavy metals (mercury ie) and other toxins stored in fat. the program is basically, lean protein diet, combined with aerobic work-outs followed immediatly by sauna's and then smart hydration (electro-lytes). not that i am a big Hubbard or hallucinogen fan but i found this to be an interesting concept.

[Garland]

mescaline...whew...
now they've got synthetic mescaline, 5-MeO-AMT....
yyyyyyyuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkkk!
Spastic Nun, none other?!!
goddamn.

[BoarSpear]

What? no man made sh#t fer me thanx...used to do acid b4 i discovered shrooms...you know man, dont panic...its all organic

[BoarSpear]

Mezcal is liquor distilled from agave, i believe you are talking about mescaline.

sounds like you should check out "Clear body,Clear mind" it is a book on the program developed by the sci-fi author L. Ron hubbard used to detox heavy hallucinogenic drug users when he was working at a Psych clinic, of course it also helps eliminate heavy metals (mercury ie) and other toxins stored in fat. the program is basically, lean protein diet, combined with aerobic work-outs followed immediatly by sauna's and then smart hydration (electro-lytes). not that i am a big Hubbard or hallucinogen fan but i found this to be an interesting concept.

Yeah i was talking about class on Mezcal, the alcohol (how else are we gonna do drunken boxing?) , you know eat the worm...hence the broken glass...someone always drops a bottle
mescaline is too happy of a trip for effective training at least for me...
Detox...Why? im not complaining except that there have been no flashbacks ...( a free trip? yeah id be up for that)
I have done sweatlodges and i train regularly (every day) and have done liver flushes ect from TCM just for general health...my point was in spite of very heavy usage of hallucinogens for approx 20 years i have had none of the ill effects...