Tang soo DO or Wing chun

[Nemes1s]

I was planning on taking wing chun for it's realistic self defense teq but I didn't really like is that they only kick below the waist and I always thought it would be good to even know how to kick above the wast but what I really like is it's reflexes on the self defense and their rapid punches

As for tang soo do they say it's good for self defense and again I would like to work on my legs but they say the kicks that are practiced in TSD aren't useful when it comes to a real situation when you cant avoid a street fight and their punches isn't very good either but some say different

but on the bottom line I would like to work on my self defense especially. but I think it would be good to learn offense as well

what do you fellas think I'll be better off with?

[Rudolphuss]

I would recommend Sanshou.

[krys]

but I didn't really like is that they only kick below the waist and I always thought it would be good to even know how to kick above the wast but what I really like is it's reflexes on the self defense and their rapid punches

Why would you need to kick above the waist in the street?

[Nemes1s]

well I fugre that may come in handy

[sherwinc]

I was planning on taking wing chun for it's realistic self defense teq but I didn't really like is that they only kick below the waist and I always thought it would be good to even know how to kick above the wast but what I really like is it's reflexes on the self defense and their rapid punches

As for tang soo do they say it's good for self defense and again I would like to work on my legs but they say the kicks that are practiced in TSD aren't useful when it comes to a real situation when you cant avoid a street fight and their punches isn't very good either but some say different

but on the bottom line I would like to work on my self defense especially. but I think it would be good to learn offense as well

what do you fellas think I'll be better off with?

The reason why WingChun Prefers to kick below the Waist is:

1. Kicks below the waist is harder to intercept cause if i attack you using double punch then you block it using your double blocking hands - then two of you hands and two of my hands (like an umbrella) when both of our hands contact each other - YOU CANNOT SEE MY SIMULTAENOUSLY LOW KICK TO HIT YOUR KNEE CAP!!!!! (especially if my shoulder doesnt move when i perform a simultaenously kick within my double punch serves as an umbrella insertion of a low kick - Shadowless Kick of Hung Gar KungFu or Tai Chi Chuan KungFu )

2. Low kick is very powerful compare to high kick and the most vulnerable joints on all the entire body is located on the knee cap (that if you stand from your feet up to your hips is straight) that is the reason why KungFu prefer "all kinds of Horse Stance"

3. You are very well balance and you can easily back to chamber position if you kick low.

my kungfu Instructor teach one of my KungFu Classmate (my classmates specialty art) a Kata of Low Kickings.

there are many reasons why KungFu prefer to kick below the waist and i dont want to list them all, its a KungFu advantages.

[Tom Yum]

Tang Soo Do or Wing chun?

It depends on your goals. Tang Soo Do is more physically demanding than Wing Chun and is a better workout. Its a good martial art to learn if you don't have any prior martial art experience and you learn how to kick really well. It depends on the school, but some TSD guys have decent punching (cross trained from boxing). You'll learn basic self-defense, get a really good workout and improve your flexibility.

Wing chun is a fighting art. Again it depends on the school, but a good wing chun school will teach you how to adapt your art to various self-defense scenarios and keep it simple. Wing Chun is about simplicity and timing. People diss wingchun because most wingchun people fight other wingchun and haven't performed well against other style MAs; an exception is Emin Boztepe and the Leung-Ting lineage of Wing Tsun - very popular in Europe and taught in a street self-defense setting.

[krys]

t depends on your goals. Tang Soo Do is more physically demanding than Wing Chun and is a better workout. Its a good martial art to learn if you don't have any prior martial art experience and you learn how to kick really well. It depends on the school, but some TSD guys have decent punching (cross trained from boxing). You'll learn basic self-defense, get a really good workout and improve your flexibility.

I am not sure TSD is more physically demanding than wc.... It comesdown to the instructor...

my wc instructor was a former boxing golden gloves in the army (UK), won all four international mixed CMA worldchampionships (Euroworld) he went to... we had intense fighting sessions (sometimes even harder than what I got in MT): hours of pad work, sparring, conditioning, bag work.... but he had to stop it as peoples fainted, two weeks ago somebody broke down vomiting and was taken in an ambulance......

But yes TSD may be a good art for a few years: workout, balance, flexibility, kicking skills....
It may be of help later if you try arts like MT or later as you will have gained good flexibility and balance.....

[kobra]

Wing Chun is for close range fighting like in real fights. Tang Soo Do spars at longer ranges which are less common in real fights.

[pstevens]

Wing Chun is for close range fighting like in real fights. Tang Soo Do spars at longer ranges which are less common in real fights.

Well, this isn't entirely true. Tang Soo Do prefers using more longer range, but it's self-defense applications does utilize close-range fighting. Such techniques include, knees, elbows, head-butts, etc...

One can easily argue that with WC, you begin your sparring very close up, but in reality, you would need to get to that point... I've seen some WC guys who actually train to close the gap until they get into WC range, and then there are those who train specifically at one range...

The bottom line is that fighting is not limited to one range...

[guy incognito]

tsd or wing chun

if you want stisk with the korean arts because toy like kicking why not try hapkido.You will llearn kicking as well as very good hand techniques.They have nothing as complex as WC but when your in a fight simple is better if you cant control your anger because you lose control of fine motor skills and revert to gross motor skills.Try lots of things till u find what suits u.

[sherwinc]

Well, this isn't entirely true. Tang Soo Do prefers using more longer range, but it's self-defense applications does utilize close-range fighting. Such techniques include, knees, elbows, head-butts, etc...

One can easily argue that with WC, you begin your sparring very close up, but in reality, you would need to get to that point... I've seen some WC guys who actually train to close the gap until they get into WC range, and then there are those who train specifically at one range...

The bottom line is that fighting is not limited to one range...

but fighting in a short or ultrashort distance, WingChun will beat Tang Soo Do badlyyyyyyy.....

so, it is considered Tang Soo Do as a longdistance fight martial art.

now.....

if WingChun failed to close the gap fighting with these stupid Tang Soo Do Karate then wingchun is in the critical situation.......

[pstevens]

but fighting in a short or ultrashort distance, WingChun will beat Tang Soo Do badlyyyyyyy.....

so, it is considered Tang Soo Do as a longdistance fight martial art.

now.....

if WingChun failed to close the gap fighting with these stupid Tang Soo Do Karate then wingchun is in the critical situation.......

You've missed the point completely... I'm not talking about whether WC or TSD is better. Kobra implied that WC uses the correct range for fighting, which is a false idea — fighting is not limited to any range, but differentiates according to the situation.

My point is that unless a martial artist trains in all ranges, he's limited to being skillful at the range that he normally trains. Most WC'ers train at close range, so in a real fight they would have to get to that same range to be effective, vice versa with TSD. So you see, it's not an issue of style, but of who can make use of their ability.

[m.artist]

oh and i just thought i should point this out
in a fight, distance is ur best friend, and ur worst enemy. get too close and ur gonna get hit...get to far and u have no chance of going on the offense. but nobody get's hurt that way. so i think close range fighting is only for the seriously experienced, or seriously stupid. if u have no training at all ur gonna get hurt. so for wing chun guys, they are trained in close range fighting, so get close to them u might be in trouble. but for a tang soo do guy, they prefer distance which is why they utilise lot's of kicks. but to be a proficient martial artist u need to be adapted to all ranges of combat

[krys]

Wing Chun is for close range fighting like in real fights.

I don't know wher peoples get the idea of wing chun being only for close fighting....
wing chun deals with all distances but is especially good at medium-close range....
What it lacks are ground fighting skills.... that is why, in my opinion, it is necessary to learn BJJ or another grapling system as a complimentary art....