Wing Chun - an overview of its training methods and effectiveness.

[Tiger Claw]

You are wrong at my dojang we punch just like boxers do (boxers are the best punchers). We cannot beat a boxer with punches but we got a good punches just need to practice them more on my own when I get my bag. Why would bruce teach jeet kune do if it was just for movies? He saw some big flaws in your system. All systems have flaws. I love what he did with wing chun. I may be wrong about the punch being weak. I will give my friend some more time to develop it. I don't think don't think it can compare with the power of kickboxing/boxing type punches. You cirlce your punches which makes it lose power (extra motion). It reminds me of a backfist which has little power. We use more weight in our punches that is why urs is faster. Kenpo punches the same way as my tkd school and has the same stances. My wing chun is not fake because I never practiced it other than the punch my friend showed me from wing chun. Talk to a jj guy about hips. Thats one of the first things they try to take control of so they don't get hit hard. Most of it is in the hips, should and legs. We also use our abbs that is why I have a six pack. Wing chun has far better moves than that punch. I do not like to diss arts at all. You are generalizing karate. The word karate is a broad term. I know of 2 karate systems that punch just like a boxer would. They just do not specialize in punches only like tkd. This is why a boxer is better at punching. You sound young and if you are allowed to go to a gym and hit a heavy bag try your punch on it rather than light fast punches on some wooden thing or air.



"CONVINCED???????"

No saying your punch comes only from your waste makes me think the punchs is worse than I thought. In tkd our kicks come from back muscles, leg muscles, abb muscles, ass muscles, and hip. On impact is where muscles are used the most. I even use my foot muscles somtimes on impact for round kicks to strike with the ball of my foot. It is all timing. Punches are the same but with different muslces using as much weight as possible. This is why I am a hard striker.


For the record I respect wc and think it is a good system but the punch is held too high in this forum. It is not the best nor could it beat boxing puches or kickboxing. It could beat tkd (if they do not train their punches enough) or karate (depends on school and system). I bareknuckled with a wc guy and that punch was not even used.

[sherwinc]

You are a very very wrong........

As for wing chun I do not think their punches are as good as kickboxing or boxing. I have kickboxing in my tkd and my straight punch will break a noise without a problem. I know how to do wing chun punches and they are weak. There is not enough hip action. All your power comes from the hip. I can punch very fast with regular punches. I wouldn't hold that punch up too high. My friend takes wing chun, and I don't see any power in that punch. I have sparred aganst him and he did well. I wouldn't knock the art. I think the monkey form is a bad idea. I wouldn't want to get in that position in a fight. Unfortuantly we had to stop when he blocked my hook kick and broke his finger . I'm not bad mouthing at all he got me with a nice eye strike and I lost a contact, lol. I am wondering if all this talk about their magical chi stories are real or bs. I say magical because I havn't seen anything they described before. I dismiss the school though, because I do not want to be feed bs (if the chi thing is) He tells me some wacked out stuff that I am unsure of with energy. It is also totally different than kenpo karate and taekwondo/kickboxing. Kenpo mixes very well with tkd. I don't thing wing chun would at all.

Punching power comes not on the Hip, but..... punching power comes from the Waist.

1. TaeKwonDo is a very stupid cause they punch power comes from the Hip
2. Karate is an extremely stupid cause they punch and power comes from the Shoulder
3. TaeKwonDo's kick power comes from the Hip and that is good!!!!!
4. KungFu punch comes from the Waist and not from the Hip.

Note:
although Wingchun's delivers 2 rapid chainpunching, the power doesnt comes from the waist but the last fist delivered of chainpunching - that is the time you get power from your Waist!!!!!!!!!!

CONVINCED???????

[sherwinc]

This week is punches only week. I punch way harder than my wing chun friend. I don't know how many pounds of pressure my punches are, but I nearly knock down pad holders (around my weight class which isn't much it's all in the legs, shoulders and hips guys) down with a jab (which distracts and has no telgraph) reverse punch combo from my guard in my left fighting stance. I tried the wing chun punches and they do crap damage. Good for sparring but not powerful enough for me. Why else would bruce go to boxing for punches if the wing chun punch is any good? We also have a heavy bag. Try your punch on a heavy bag and see what happens. I've hit the thing so much my knuckles used to bleed until they got hard. I also tested out kicks on the heavy bag and can tell what would be a bad idea.

as i told you before, Bruce Lee is a very wise, Bruce Lee makes you stupid... why?????

because in KungFu..... WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT!!!!!!!

Bruce Lee's Movie Art is Jeet Kune Do

while....

Bruce Lee's Actual/Real Street Fight is WingChunKungFu, WuTaiChiKungFu, and AngKaKungFu

You said WingChun's punch has no power??????? as i told you before... What You See Is Not.... you are only relying on your eyes, you dont know the KungFu principle of "A FIST IS NOT A FIST, THE WHOLE BODY BECOMES A FIST"..... and all i can say is...... You practice a FAKE WingChun..... why????? cause if you only practice a true traditional art of WingChun you will automatically reject your previous martial art learned.....


CONVINCED????????

[Tameo]

Please provide some proof to back up this bullshit claim.

Its in the 84 book of world records i think or 80something

[Thai Bri]

Who was: The guy with a German mother?

[m.artist]

The one inch punch is nothing more than a push. It was not a version of wing chun long bridge power it is in kung fu systems. There is also a crane wing that does the same deal. It takes way to much time and doesn't hurt. I let kung fu ppl use it on me. It sends you flying back pretty neat but nothing more than show. I saw cheung on the wooden dumby nothing impressive at all. I think he is a sell out. I think it is true that bruce didn't continue a wing chun school I believe because he was not pure chinese. I think that was when he was younger and went to another school /shrug.

he was cantonese..but that's pretty much chinese..and he was full chinese

[Tiger Claw]

Bruce Lee's version of the Wing Chun Long Bridge power = one inch punch = weak?

Bruce Lee couldn't continue training Wing Chun?

William Cheung is a self proclaimed Grandmaster.

The one inch punch is nothing more than a push. It was not a version of wing chun long bridge power it is in kung fu systems. There is also a crane wing that does the same deal. It takes way to much time and doesn't hurt. I let kung fu ppl use it on me. It sends you flying back pretty neat but nothing more than show. I saw cheung on the wooden dumby nothing impressive at all. I think he is a sell out. I think it is true that bruce didn't continue a wing chun school I believe because he was not pure chinese. I think that was when he was younger and went to another school /shrug.

[Hot Sauce]

Bruce Lee's version of the Wing Chun Long Bridge power = one inch punch = weak?

Bruce Lee couldn't continue training Wing Chun?

William Cheung is a self proclaimed Grandmaster.

[Tiger Claw]

This week is punches only week. I punch way harder than my wing chun friend. I don't know how many pounds of pressure my punches are, but I nearly knock down pad holders (around my weight class which isn't much it's all in the legs, shoulders and hips guys) down with a jab (which distracts and has no telgraph) reverse punch combo from my guard in my left fighting stance. I tried the wing chun punches and they do crap damage. Good for sparring but not powerful enough for me. Why else would bruce go to boxing for punches if the wing chun punch is any good? We also have a heavy bag. Try your punch on a heavy bag and see what happens. I've hit the thing so much my knuckles used to bleed until they got hard. I also tested out kicks on the heavy bag and can tell what would be a bad idea.

[Tiger Claw]

somehow it double posted when I edited odd. This is a link to the grandmaster that guy is talking about (you should of given us a link so far I have not seen anything about how hard he can hit with that punch)http://www.cheungswingchun.com

[jules]

A wing chun punch can have a lot more power than a tkd or kickboxing punch and a lot more speed.

wow you puch harder than TKD... Want a cookie?

Yesterday i was sparring with a intermediate wing chun practitioner and he almost dislocated my jaw with a wc punch that wasnt even really hard.

Perhaps you are just glass jawed

As for speed,William Cheung made a world record at 8.3 punches per second using wing chun punches and each punch had about 200 punds of pressure.

"Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds, and if he were here he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his ass. "

Please provide some proof to back up this bullshit claim.

[Tameo]

A wing chun punch can have a lot more power than a tkd or kickboxing punch and a lot more speed. Yesterday i was sparring with a intermediate wing chun practitioner and he almost dislocated my jaw with a wc punch that wasnt even really hard. As for speed,William Cheung made a world record at 8.3 punches per second using wing chun punches and each punch had about 200 punds of pressure.

[Tiger Claw]

As for wing chun I do not think their punches are as good as kickboxing or boxing. I have kickboxing in my tkd and my straight punch will break a noise without a problem. I know how to do wing chun punches and they are weak. There is not enough hip action. All your power comes from the hip. I can punch very fast with regular punches. I wouldn't hold that punch up too high. My friend takes wing chun, and I don't see any power in that punch. I have sparred aganst him and he did well. I wouldn't knock the art. I think the monkey form is a bad idea. I wouldn't want to get in that position in a fight. Unfortuantly we had to stop when he blocked my hook kick and broke his finger . I'm not bad mouthing at all he got me with a nice eye strike and I lost a contact, lol. I am wondering if all this talk about their magical chi stories are real or bs. I say magical because I havn't seen anything they described before. I dismiss the school though, because I do not want to be feed bs (if the chi thing is) He tells me some wacked out stuff that I am unsure of with energy. It is also totally different than kenpo karate and taekwondo/kickboxing. Kenpo mixes very well with tkd. I don't thing wing chun would at all.

[Tiger Claw]

"Incidentally I've found the psychological side of fighting (for real) plays a large part in who wins. Since learning Shredder I win most of my close sparring now due to the fact I talk to the opponent and scare the living **** out of them when I (simulate) biting and growl like a raving alsatian (this is before I put my hands anywhere near their face)"


This may work for some ppl. Me and my friend way back used bark at ppl and almost killed a biker doing so (scared him he swerved and almost hit a trailer truck). It's funny you mention this too. Yesterday a dude at my tkd dojang was making demond noises (he lost his head that day) and started attacking me very uncontrollable. He honestly is a easy person to spar against and never hits me (not lying he sux). Right when I kicked him with a roundhouse a tad bit harder than intended in the head the instructor yelled kamod (korean for stop and don't know if I spelled that right) and told me we will get you a new sparring partner, lol. I dunno whats wrong with this dude but it woke me up a bit and I sparred better but still maintaining control not to hurt him (I was sure he lost it by the noises he made and the attacks he threw).

[kobra]

you are growing up fast mate... good question. Combat Sambo or Catch-as-catch can wrestling or also gracie-JJ would be fine I think

Kangojutsu is mucxh more effective than gracie JJ although you need a 110v power supply.