Conditioning the Hands Part I (Introduction)

[jubaji]

That's completley understandable response to my post, thank you for pointing that out.

The actual process of hitting the bag of rocks or the nut is that it teaches you to generate that power from several angels.

Which is a great thing. That's a great piece of the "complete confidence" you are looking for.

[47MartialMan]

In his case its probably hairy palm!

This is because he may not have a girlfriend

[47MartialMan]

The whole purpose of iron hand/iron palm it to condition the hand so there is less chance of it being injured in a combat situation. The one whose hand gets injured first is likely to loose the fight.

Yeah, like this is going to help when a guy whom has better street combat and less conditioning beating the pulp out of one whom does. (Seen it)

Conditioning such as thus is over-rated.

[kingoftheforest]

actually by using proper training methods and linaments on the hands you don't do damage to the hands.

Also if all I have to spend is 30 minutes a day conditioning my hands I'll make that sacrafice.

Everyone is intitled to his own opinion on things he's expierenced thats how I feel.

[BoarSpear]

It needs to be said that Ironpalm training is not for those under 21. It also is important to realize it is NOT about beating your hands into things.

People OFTEN do stupid things in thier training then go blame the style

If you are breaking the skin, you are doing something WRONG. If you're breaking bones you're doing something moronic.

Ironpalm is about learning to hit from multiple angles and distances, its about learning your strikes by hitting something other than air. Although some Ironpalm systems do hit air, others hit water or cotton etc.

Some Ironpalm styles dont strike anything, they pulse against heavy sandbags or rockbags. Thing is most idiots who scream how awful ironpalm is didnt do any of that or use Dit da jow or do meditations afterwards, nah they just beat their hands into barn doors, rocks, bricks etc then whine when they destroyed their hands, that wasnt ironpalm, that was empty skull.

[treelizard]

actually by using proper training methods and linaments on the hands you don't do damage to the hands.

Liniment recipe please?

[BoarSpear]

Liniment recipe please?

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[treelizard]

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LOL. Nobody knows the secret ingredient in mine, anyway.

[BoarSpear]

LOL. Nobody knows the secret ingredient in mine, anyway.

huh, so you understand then eh? He gets his jow from me

[Kid Eternity]

Weight bearing exercise builds bone density as well as muscular strength. Good for the whole body, including the hands.

[crosstrainedwar]

somebody told me that many people do not use a jow that is strong enough for the last metal filled bag that you use. I have heard that in addition to the linament, you need special deep breathing exercises to prevent your hand from shaking. 47martailman, could you please tell me if, before you were doing ironpalm, you made sure neither the instructor nor the fellow students had deformed hands? Did you ask other instructors in that same lineage if they have ever had problems with their hands? Thanks in advance.

[47MartialMan]

1,) actually by using proper training methods and linaments on the hands you don't do damage to the hands.

2.)Also if all I have to spend is 30 minutes a day conditioning my hands I'll make that sacrafice.

3.) Everyone is intitled to his own opinion on things he's expierenced thats how I feel.

1.) Obviously you haven't done in for 20 years and another 15 added later. The older you get, the more it will develop problems.

2.) I have, and it is a price to pay decades later. Take it from expereince, it is NOT neccesary in these times. It is "over-rated"

3.) Ignorance is bliss. Opinions are not always backed by true experience(s). It is naive and gullable to train this way.


Note: This is by no means to belittle you or anyone else-personally. I am using your post to explain what I come to know verses what people actually do not realize from future complications. In a modern society, per career, work, aging, this is not deemed neccesary. Anyone that trains this way, unless planning on many confrontations, (rare-society and law will not tolerate) is subconciously mentally confused and influenced by youthful aspirations.

[47MartialMan]

1.) somebody told me that many people do not use a jow that is strong enough for the last metal filled bag that you use.


2.) I have heard that in addition to the linament, you need special deep breathing exercises to prevent your hand from shaking.


3.) 47martailman, could you please tell me if, before you were doing ironpalm, you made sure neither the instructor nor the fellow students had deformed hands? Did you ask other instructors in that same lineage if they have ever had problems with their hands? Thanks in advance.

1.) Yes, one has to apply a strong linament. There are stronger ones used by modern medicine prescribed by doctors to patients with gout and arthritis. Patients with gout and arthritis do not desire to apply such for the rest of their lives. Why live a life in agony and continued application of a linament? People are not thinking 20, 30, 40 years fom now.

2.) Breathing is always essential in any activity. Yes, the hands are traumitized.

3.) I was doing this, around 1975, instructed from a Chinese man. He told me prior, there was going to be a terrible price to pay. My Chinese instructor was the local Chinese folk doctor. He knew what he was doing. He treated the local Chinese community for all types of ailments. He realises folk remedies have to yield to modern medicine and modern society with modern diseases/ailments.

[kingoftheforest]

1.) Obviously you haven't done in for 20 years and another 15 added later. The older you get, the more it will develop problems.

2.) I have, and it is a price to pay decades later. Take it from expereince, it is NOT neccesary in these times. It is "over-rated"

3.) Ignorance is bliss. Opinions are not always backed by true experience(s). It is naive and gullable to train this way.


Note: This is by no means to belittle you or anyone else-personally. I am using your post to explain what I come to know verses what people actually do not realize from future complications. In a modern society, per career, work, aging, this is not deemed neccesary. Anyone that trains this way, unless planning on many confrontations, (rare-society and law will not tolerate) is subconciously mentally confused and influenced by youthful aspirations.

There are many people in this world that are mislead by improper teachings. I had known several people who practicted the style of Iron palm that I took up. All of them had practiced for years and years , they had no problems.

I am sorry that the teacher you had may have "thought" what he wa teaching was porper. Obviously from your results it was not. I would have to say that if my teacher told me
"Rub this on your hands everyday"
And the stuff made them raw and peeling I'd have to discontinue that.
Call me a rebel.
At now time does any Iron palm practice I ever heard of supposed to cause "severe" damage to your hands. It is expressly described in many manuals books and even more recently in videos that if your hands are raw or bleeding you ar doing something wrong.
Since I have been practicing iron palm all "my" hand problems have dissapated.
I have broken my hand several times in fights and my right hand was a serious problem for me. In the past 5 years I have had only minimal problems with it. it no longer swells and stiffens in the winter time to a useless point.

Once again there are many arts out there and many people. Some people don't react well to certain herbs in linaments and some people teach what they think is real and best.
I mean take for example all the people who belive the ground is for a street fight and those that don't, who argue on this forum all the time.

I think maybe we are all so busy on here trying to tell everyone else that "our" opinion our thoughts are the only right one's and not enough time seeing what everyone else things from a more analytical view.

[kingoftheforest]

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3.) I was doing this, around 1975, instructed from a Chinese man. He told me prior, there was going to be a terrible price to pay. My Chinese instructor was the local Chinese folk doctor. He knew what he was doing. He treated the local Chinese community for all types of ailments. He realises folk remedies have to yield to modern medicine and modern society with modern diseases/ailments.

Personally I have spoken with many Dr. of Traditional Chinese medicine or TCM and they have all agreed that Jow of any kind should not be painful to use and if rash or extreme reddness occurs stop using it and see a Dr.

As for yielding to modern medicine I'll steer clear of that because I have never ever heard a Dr. of TCM say anything remotley close to this.

TCM's are about preventing aliment before it happens. Not treating it with a pill some Dr. gets kickbacks for prescribing.

I don't think monks were punching barn doors or car doors when they trained sorry dude that just silly. How many peopl do you see on the street made out of flat boards or sheet metal. The diffrent bags and the mediums you use in iron palm simulate diffrent "Human" body structures.