Why is Kung Fu not considered to be truly effective in actual combat?

[konghan]

I guess you're right
Forget Ring FIghting
How about Actual Combat? Have you ever experienced a street fight and used your traditional kung-fu?

Just check on PitBull`s post, he fought off 4 holdupers, he got knife cuts in the forearm & a blak eye but successfully defended himself from getting stab as well as fustrating the holderpers to take off.

Me, my latest street fighting was 6 years ago & hopefully my last, against a 6`+ guy ( I`m 5`5), it was a one on one. My first hook punch missed becuase he lean back & he was taller I only graze his jaw. I quickly switch punching right into his chest (di sip kun) bang! bang! bang! he fell one knee down, his head was within range, he was wildly swinging his arm, I could have finish him off with a straight kick but then he suddenly start screaming " assualt, I`m being assualted by a security guard!" thats` when I stop & let him run away as a small crowd were starting to gather around.

[jubaji]

Just check on PitBull`s post, he fought off 4 holdupers, he got knife cuts in the forearm & a blak eye but successfully defended himself from getting stab as well as fustrating the holderpers to take off.

Me, my latest street fighting was 6 years ago & hopefully my last, against a 6`+ guy ( I`m 5`5), it was a one on one. My first hook punch missed becuase he lean back & he was taller I only graze his jaw. I quickly switch punching right into his chest (di sip kun) bang! bang! bang! he fell one knee down, his head was within range, he was wildly swinging his arm, I could have finish him off with a straight kick but then he suddenly start screaming " assualt, I`m being assualted by a security guard!" thats` when I stop & let him run away as a small crowd were starting to gather around.

BS Alert! BS Alert! BS Alert!

[krys]

pocket sticks are nice:
Krys shame on you! Is that your pick up line, You walk up to a girl in the mall and tell her how nice your pocket stick is? you probably can get arrested for that.

haha never tried that....
there is a big heat wave in Manila right now and there are a few places where this may work.... lol I could even tell my gf I just wanted to teach self defense to those girls (i may lose a part of my body if she doesn't believe me) ...

[konghan]

BS Alert! BS Alert! BS Alert!

A bunch of mama`s boys. That`s where all this madojo`s started it is to meet the need`s of these mama`s boys. And now, they are still whinning & crying.

[HuSanYan]

A bunch of mama`s boys. That`s where all this madojo`s started it is to meet the need`s of these mama`s boys. And now, they are still whinning & crying.

konghan, I couldn't have put it better myself

[verc]

Bri, maybe a mataphore can help, a doctor can prepare for his first operation but the real operation will be a totally new experience with its own stresslevel
And some still drop out before, the stress of having a persons life in your hands can't be simulated just as the stress of fighting for your life can't be simulated in the gym even the best training won't do that, our brain doesn't let it be fooled that way
this is true for people who like to fight but for people who don't like it, people that entered MA/SD because they have a fear of being beaten, this difference between reallifestress and the gym is enormous, adrenalinelevels off the scale (maybe that's the solution, an adrenaline shot during training )

It's not even the stress of the fight itself but the prefightstress

Off course you are free to think otherwise but I think you are making the same mistake as a BB traditional karate that thinks he can defend himself against anyone

Your analogy kind of fails... doctors are prepared for their first operation.

I know, I am a medical student at Stanford University, and we are indeed trained to "fool" ourselves so much that if I do become a surgeon, I will operate on a live human no different than the cadavers which we are constanted exposed to in order to desensitize people to the natural repulsion of bodily fluids and internals.


Your analogy also fails because you are talking about a physiological versus phychological response to stimuli.

[Boxing Master]

Karate vs. Boxing Footwork

Broadsword, once again that statement is not entirely true.

Many Great Boxers before Ali arrived used alot of the footwork mentioned prior, just not the dancing shuffling steps. I do not know this, but I can believe that the Filipino Boxers had incorporated Eskrima footwork into their style of Boxing, but I need to do further reserach on this.

Here are a few examples
Jack Jonhnson(a great defensive fighter, a predecessor to Ali)
Joe Louis(A Boxing Master with Power and Footwork to devastate his opponent)
Gene Fullmer(Fast and Furious, he ran circles around his opponents)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson(The Real Greatest, Period)
James J. Corbett(A Scientific Boxing Pioneer whose Jab and Footwork showed that technique, not just Power, will win fights)

[CrushingFist]

Broadsword, once again that statement is not entirely true.

Many Great Boxers before Ali arrived used alot of the footwork mentioned prior, just not the dancing shuffling steps. I do not know this, but I can believe that the Filipino Boxers had incorporated Eskrima footwork into their style of Boxing, but I need to do further reserach on this.

Here are a few examples
Jack Jonhnson(a great defensive fighter, a predecessor to Ali)
Joe Louis(A Boxing Master with Power and Footwork to devastate his opponent)
Gene Fullmer(Fast and Furious, he ran circles around his opponents)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson(The Real Greatest, Period)
James J. Corbett(A Scientific Boxing Pioneer whose Jab and Footwork showed that technique, not just Power, will win fights)

Wow it's been a while. I left the MA life for a while, but I can't live without it.I was just watching something on Mike Tyson that I downloaded (he's a monster)

[yipmanfan]

funny how you could mention two wing chunists and constantly argue that kung fu is ineffective.

[sdizier]

Kung Fu uneffective?????

People who say kung fu is ineffective have never trained kung fu. Perhaps they have played with it but have never put their heart into it.

When a kung fu man gets beat by another style, this says the man was weak and not the style.

I really believe that the strength of your art comes within you; it becomes as good as your individual training.

Remember this. The art will never betray the man it is always the man who betrays the art.

sdizier

https://www.thelawofthefist.com

[jubaji]

People who say kung fu is ineffective have never trained kung fu. Perhaps they have played with it but have never put their heart into it.

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What a convenient philosophy!

[sdizier]

A kung fu man broke a half a ton of SOLID ice years ago, a record that has yet to be broken by any style. This is a man who has put his heart into the training. I'm not saying that other arts are not strong I'm saying that any one who believes a style not to be strong does not understand the style.

[yipmanfan]

People who say kung fu is ineffective have never trained kung fu. Perhaps they have played with it but have never put their heart into it.

When a kung fu man gets beat by another style, this says the man was weak and not the style.

I really believe that the strength of your art comes within you; it becomes as good as your individual training.

Remember this. The art will never betray the man it is always the man who betrays the art.

sdizier

www.thelawofthefist.com

excellent point... what you put into the art is what you get out of it. I think that is tru of any system.

[Oraenor]

Both the Chings and their european allies feared the kung fu rebellions in the boxer rebellion for their skill in hand to hand combat. So tell me again why kung fu isnt effective???

[EmptyneSs]

the problem might be the training methods. if u look at the arts that are considered effective, its because they spar and fight eachother so much. if u want to be good at fighting, u have to fight. the more u fight the better. mt, boxing, judo, bjj, wrestling are all effective because they spend so much time sparring/grappling/fighting one another.it doesnt matter how good u have a technique down, or how hard u train, if u arent sparring vs partners who want to kick ur ass as well on a very consistent basis, u arent gonna be able to fight effectively.

i was talkin to some guy who worked at a shitty mcdojo. he was tellin me how they have started to train in judo at their school, and how some of them really like it and want to compete in judo. so i asked him often they do randori. they fruitcake had never even heard of randori. they just take turns throwing eachother willingly at the school, and think they can go compete.

sparring/fighting is probobly the most important aspect of training. in fact, i spar so much that i dont do enough bagwork. and guess what, despite the fact that i spend much less time on bagwork and technique, i can fight well because i have been sparring about 3 times a week for past 8 months or so.