Why is Kung Fu not considered to be truly effective in actual combat?

[Tom Yum]

LOL, i was partly joking but have you ever heard of the Improvised Munitions Handbook and chemistry, and physics.

I know nothing of what you say.....(meet me around back so I can trade the Anarchist Cookbook for your IMH).

You hang around WAY too many army surplus stores and read way too many underground mags. Can you swim?

[Tom Yum]

The IMH is just a basic introduction then you get into chemicals and the acids used to produce them, although they dont get to much into the scientific aspect of it.

Get into your junior ROTC.

[jmd161]

You know you are right when you say that you can not prepare for everything on the "streets" because you do not know what is out there. If you pay attention to Bri's counterpoints he is stating that you can be BETTER prepared for the streets, maybe not on how to fight an AK but i would say that learning to defend ones self and some of the training he state(fear control,awareness, legal training) will help you prepare for some of the incidents that go on in the streets. But of course you can not prepare for everything. I think that i picked it up because i can see past the my own reality, but i could be wrong

Like i said i agree that those things can help prepare for the streets ,but only a fool would think it "really" prepares them for what they train in. You can train in "fear control,awareness, legal training" for 10yrs in a dojo. It DOES NOT mean you will react properly when the event goes down. No matter how REAL you make the training feel ,it's not real. It only takes a split second to SCREW UP all the supposed training. I can come at you everyday in class with a hand gun and nasty attitude ,and you can train to not panic or loose control.

Does that mean that when a armed person on the street does it with a "REAL" nasty attitude you're going to react the same way?

I doubt it!!

jeff

[jmd161]

I know bri's a cop but you said something along the lines of that you walked down the streat with two pistols on each hip and had a big attitude. Now if you were a civilian packing heat

I said i walked carrying two 9mm hand guns on the street because that's where i was IN THE STREETS!! I did alot of things i'm not proud of in my younger yrs. I was blessed to not only survive ,but be able to get away from the streets.

You know it still doesnt matter, full auto is good for cutting down a group close to you, but not too good for a shootout because you run out of ammo, so you'd want to switch off the full auto. Now if you're surrounded with cops shooting their 12 gauges at you i'd bet on the cops because although (big city cops tend to practice more)they arent the best shots they're better than the thugs.

You'd be surprised at how many "thugs" actually train to shoot. I was at local gun ranges all the time. Went out in the woods in small towns ,and cities and shot targets also.

Okay 100 round mags do have their place but typically people piss thru the ammo too fast. Anyways as a matter of fact many rifles have high capacity mags, not just the mean "assualt rifles".

Well what i was actually trying to say is. That most of the assualt rifles on the streets ,have high capacity mags in them. I don't know of anyone that carries an illegal weapon with a std clip.

What kind of grenade launchers 37 mm or 40mm? Because its legal to have the launchers so long as only flares are fired from there, although no doubt he retrofitted the flares with a high explosive charge. Only problem is i doubt if he duplicated the arming mechanism so keeping using them would run the risk of an accidental detonation if it relied on pressure sensetive explosives. Anyways was this guy a thug who went around mugging people or was he just a gun nut who kept to himself? Besides even if he did attempt to fight back he would have been killed because he lacked SAMs to take down helicoptors, and antitank missles.

I don't know what type of launchers he had. He was actually a big time drug dealer here. And he had a connection to artillary smugllers. So the weapons he had were the real deal. He was selling these weapons to anyone who could afford them on the streets. Which was everyone. He sold 9mm had guns for around $50.

Remember when the full power of the government is brought to bear properly you are fucked, which i think he knew fully well, and he probally didnt want to kill FBI, and ATF guys. Anyways all this stuff that this guy had the average thug doesnt and the thugs that do usually are a higher level, like stevie "the rifleman" flemmi.

Well first of all the Govt' did'nt know he was ,so well armed. They knew he had hand guns, but that was all they really knew about. It just so happened he did'nt feel like fighting period on that day. Otherwise i think he would've went out in a blaze of gunfire.

jeff

[jmd161]

I think we get the point, practicing, or simulating, is just not like the real thing. But thats why certain Martial artists take efforts to make things as realistic as possible. Besides you're better off doing a realistic martail art, and realistic training than doing nothing. I certainly that we all understand that.

Yeah, that was never my argument that you can't try and prepare. Any training is ALWAYS going to be better than none. It's just when ppl believe that their training makes them SUPERHUMAN and belive that , that a problem occurs.

Common sense goes a long way in preparing for the streets also. If people would use their god given common sense ,they could avoid alot of situations also. But sometimes the streets come to you. You don't have to be in the streets to be a vicim of street violence.

jeff

[HuSanYan]

Bri,

How do you train for the streets???

If you believe that you can truly learn to deal with street violence in a reality based self defence school?!?! Then "No Offense" ,but you just showed a considerable lack of knowledge of the streets!!!

jeff

quite right JMD, Thai Bri the French Fry is a spotty teen pretending to be a policeman in the UK, typical troll really, good day to you sir

[HuSanYan]

Bri,

You have no idea "who" you are talking to.

I've spent too many yrs of my life in the streets involved in street violence. I've been in more street violent situations than you prolly saw in your entire 18 yrs on the force. I've been involved in drug wars,drive by shooting,robberies,and many other crimes.

Now that i'm much older 38yrs old yesterday i realise that i was young and foolish. There was a time i prayed everyday to the lord above to make it to age 21. All my friends were being killed at 16-18 yrs old. I've done stuff that i know i will have to deal with the lord on judgement day about. Even through all that ,i could never consider myself "prepared" for the streets. I traveled everywhere with two guns on me. I've had weapons that if i was caught with could've gotten me atleast 10 yrs in a federal prison here in the US.

As i'm writing this i have a fully automatic AK-47 laying next to my feet. So don't tell me that "YOU JUST HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT, AND YOU'RE TOO PROUD TO ADMIT IT!" I have more knowledge of the streets than most police officers on this planet. You guys worked in them for a number of hrs a day ,I lived in them everyday of my life!!!

jeff

damn fine post Jeff, I can categorically relate to your words and they carry infinetly more weight than a "9 - 5" street patroller WITH a Radio......

[Thai Bri]

Tanks Hu San Yan. I love you too mate!

JMD - heres another pile of horse shit you hath spoken....."any training is better than none".

Nothing could be further from the truth. There are plenty types of training that make you far worse than the untrained.

You say you "can't prepare for the streets", but then tell us all how you prepare for them. Its just fookin stupid. By the way, not all the preparation occurs in the dojo. Your showing your ignorance again.

Like I said (and like you tactically ignored) - if you cannot prepare for the streets, that would logically mean that a bunch of high school kids is in the same amount of danger as a force of trained and experienced police officers.

I'm sick of saying that preparation does not make you invulnerable. But good preparation makes you far far less vulnerable. Its basic common sense mate.

I liked you better when you were telling us all how Black Tiger Kung Fu would make us all invincible.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Does it make sense when I say, you can prepare but in the end you still can be "unprepared"
If you would be prepared, you could stop preparing for a while ( untill the situation changes)
to prepare is the proces, being prepared is the end state

If it doesn't make sense it is probably because I think in dutch

[Thai Bri]

No that doesnt make sense.

But this does - if you prepare, you can be prepared. If you do not prepare, you can NEVER be prepared.

What our idiot friend JMD is doing is discouraging people from giving themselevs a chance, merely because he does not know how to do it himself.

[Tameo]

Yesterday our wing chun Sifu invited this guy i think his name was
Kevin O'Hagan to demonstrate some ground techniques. It was pretty cool.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

No that doesnt make sense.

But this does - if you prepare, you can be prepared. If you do not prepare, you can NEVER be prepared.

What our idiot friend JMD is doing is discouraging people from giving themselevs a chance, merely because he does not know how to do it himself.

It did make sense you actually say the same, it's just that mine was more the cup half empty way of saying it

with this ever changing society(sp?) we need to keep training to stay prepared and than still...how DO you prepare for something like a suicide-bomber or some 17 year old that walks up to a teacher and shoots him through the head
I can honestly say I don't know anymore

[jmd161]

You know i wish Bri was alot closer to me!!

I really think you are some kid living your life out on an internet forum!! Either that or some crappy pissy pants old punk that got pushed ,and bullied around in school ,that is now a keyboard/cyber warrior. I really don't have the time to help you "PRETEND" that you are some bad azz. You go on and talk crap Bri ,i'm not intrested in playing your games.

HuSanYan,

Thanks bro!!


Unlike Bri i don't have to try and act tough. I mean really how tough do you have to be to talk sh!t from behind a keyboard????

9,10,11, and 12 yr olds do it everyday ,so i'm supposed to believe that Bri is some tough azz cop from the streets?!?!

BULLSHEET!!!

I know many cops that are tough SOB's ,and none of them spend their free time on forums talking sh!t. Why would they even try to prove how tough they are on a forum?!?! They prove it on the streets everyday. Being a cyber warrior is not something that intrest them at all.

jeff

[jmd161]

I see but wouldnt these weapons be concealed, shoulder holster or something else, not at your hip.

Are you serious bro?

How many ppl involved in street violence (illegal crimes) ,do you know that wear holsters??? That has to be a joke ,i know that could'nt have been a serious question!!!

And i'm blown away by the sheer number that considder it beneath them and shoot sideways.

So because someone turns a gun sideways means they can't shoot??? I know a cop that's a marksman shooting the gun upsidedown ,pulling the trigger with his pinky finger. I'll use an old quote here. "Don't judge a book by it's cover" I'll agree that many on the streets don't practice or know how to shoot ,but there are many that do.

"Assualt rifles" you sound like a freggin lybryl, the mini-14 isnt an "assualt rifle" but is very potent.

That was just something i chose to say so everyone would understand what i was talking about. You understood what i meant so....

He sold 9mm pistols for around $50, sounds like a good deal or he was selling crap. I'm supprised he wasnt selling mack 9, 10, or 11s, seeing that they're cheep and he had these connections, and better small weapons like the mp5k.

I'm assuming they were smuggling portable small artillery pieces, not howisters. Anyways i'm supprised that he didnt rat on these other people that he knew.

I named some of the weapons he had i did'nt name all. He had alot more than what i named ,but unlike you ,i am not a gun or weapons buff. All i care is that the weapons i have work. They were bringing crates of weapons out. Well i assume that he did eventually because he only did 12yrs in prison.

Hmmph you're saying that thought that all he had hand guns and the ATF and FBI were involved, sounds a little bit odd to me. Assuming that the ATF and FBI were involved they would have watched him for sometime and figgured out the best time to raid him, usually 4 in the morning, when his allert would be at an all time low.

Anyways it really shocks me that a bigtime drug dealer who had to survive on the streats has times that he just doesnt feal like fighting, because on the streats you have to fight no matter what your mood.

Well they raided him at 4:00 but it was broad daylight not early morning. They were alerted by so many hand guns being sold and used in many shootings in the area during that time. I mean if you can by a 9mm for $50 why would you really buy the other stuff??

This is how i know that most of you talking have not been on the streets. You're not going to walk down the street with a AK-47,AR-15,7mm, or weapons like that. You buy a $50 9mm use it ,if you kill someone with it ,you discard it. You're not going to keep a gun with bodies on it ,that's foolish!!!

You buy the high powered stuff ,and keep it somewhere for a drive by.

jeff

[jmd161]

Agreed. Anyways i'm supprised that all your friend got was 12 years. BTW: You have friends that are cops and gun nuts...Do you belong to a target range or are you a mobster. jk

Actually i have friends that i grew up with that are cops. Many of them had no clue as to what i did away from them. I'm not a mobster ,but i have done my share of illegal stuff. I was lucky that i never got caught for the stuff that i've done.

I as well as many other ppl was surprised that all he did was 12yrs. I did'nt say that's all he recieved ,i said that's all he did. So some kind of deal was struck there.

jeff