KungFu Weaponry compare to Non-KungFu Weapons

[sherwinc]

just because it has more techniques doesn't make it a more formidable weapon. a sword that is straight and to the point will do just fine. And besides, most samurai sword techniques where one hit, one kill. there was no need to learn a vast amount of attacks. sure they learned more then one attack, and had a great amount of knowledge, but having many techniques over just a few good ones doesn't mean that the one with more is better.

but KungFu Swords has more Fouls, hidden illusion techniques, expecting the unexpected, using the environment obstacles as a sword advantages ..... try to observe and know the applications of its LONG TASSLE and you make discover that there are even more than meets the eye......

[darrianation]

HAW HAW HAW

i oftenly heard that plenty of times.....

especially the best moves of tae kwon do is their 45 - 45 kick

then we replied....

our best kungfu moves too is the mac10 mac10

then which of the two weapons is the best???????????? i think mac10 of kungfu wins rather than .45 of tae kwon do.....

Note:
you'll fight me, i will fight you using kungfu
no, i will use my .45 pistol,
ok, so i will use my AK 47 to defeat your .45 pistol
your AK 47 is useless against my bazzoka
no!!!! i have my heavy tank in my home, i prepare it for you

HAW HAW HAW HAW

yea but my .45 shoots Chi bullets!

[sherwinc]

yea but my .45 shoots Chi bullets!

since the beginning and up to now, you are still stupid.....

for how many times do i tell you that in a bullet:
Chi - is the blast
while....
Jing - is the projectile bullet

so....

the exact quote is:

yea but my .45 shoots Jing bullets!


CONVINCED???????

[Toudiyama[NL]]

since the beginning and up to now, you are still stupid.....

for how many times do i tell you that in a bullet:
Chi - is the blast
while....
Jing - is the projectile bullet

so....

the exact quote is:

yea but my .45 shoots Jing bullets!


CONVINCED???????

Maybe semantics here but if jin is the projectile, jin bullet wouldn't be special would it? it 2x the same thing
Whereas Chi-bullet would be your Jin
Jin bullet is like saying highway-way

BTW if you want to know about original Japanese swordfighting try to get hold of material about Katori Shinto ryu
It's one of the few remaining Koryu schools with roots to the fudal times

[sherwinc]

Maybe semantics here but if jin is the projectile, jin bullet wouldn't be special would it? it 2x the same thing
Whereas Chi-bullet would be your Jin
Jin bullet is like saying highway-way

BTW if you want to know about original Japanese swordfighting try to get hold of material about Katori Shinto ryu
It's one of the few remaining Koryu schools with roots to the fudal times

i am also interested to watch katana fighting......

and i believe that even nunchakus could not defeat katana....

how about arnis??????

Note: It is a matter of wood versus blade

[krys]

how about arnis?????? Note: It is a matter of wood versus blade

Shervinc, you are living in the Philippines and have no knowledge of Arnis.

Arnis teaches to fight with blades.... we seldom use sticks in my muslim escrima-arnis system, sometimes as a secondary weapon with a bolo or pyra-barong.... in other styles sticks are shown first because it is safer to start with them....

[sherwinc]

Shervinc, you are living in the Philippines and have no knowledge of Arnis.

Arnis teaches to fight with blades.... we seldom use sticks in my muslim escrima-arnis system, sometimes as a secondary weapon with a bolo or pyra-barong.... in other styles sticks are shown first because it is safer to start with them....

i heard about the weapon called Tres-Cantos.... it is a 3-sided blade solid steel arnis..... is it true????

the arnis that i only see here in my place is purely a rattan wood, i dont see any arnis fighter here using his bolo or cane.....

since one of my friend says, if you want to see a true arnis, he said - go to South Cotabato, Mindanao and you will truely see what is missing in arnis here in Iloilo.....

my Friend also said that he is familiar with to so-called " LAKWERDAS " ... i dont know what it means....... he said, it is one of the highest arnis achievement to learn......

[krys]

The Tres Cantos is a three sided knive with a sharp point from Cebu.... it is easily conceilable and difficult to defend against....


Yes true Arnis is still in Mindanao, Sulu, Basilan..... there it is all balde, very little stick training.... peoples there usually train with bolos that have been used on coconuts......

In Manila there are also some good groups.... our association and the kalis illustrissimo group (this is also a blade based arnis style).

I didn't see too much of our muslim escrima because I have to master filipino silats empty hands first. Actually most of our silat empty hands movements can be converted into blade movements.

[sherwinc]

Actually most of our silat empty hands movements can be converted into blade movements.

Excellent!!!!!!

this is the thing that i want to hear...... another example of a true art.... i never expected it since before......

actually.... for me..... the way how you manipulate your hand/feet attack and defense - is also the way how you manipute your martial art weapon.....

for me...... the way you execute your set patterns (kun, chien, kata, pomsee) is also the way how you manipulate your hand/feet/weapons (especially your most highest setpattern learned)

when i see how you perform your most highest learned setpattern - i may have an instant clues/hints/plans/ideas if what will i do in order to overcome it.......

there, you could see if he has a foundation on his steppings, stance, power, speed, and to break the code of every unfamiliar/unique techniques......

[verc]

Toudiyama[NL] , please do not plagerize, if you paste something, give a link to the site where you got it.

Sherwinc, read my thread above which has a bit of info about the Chinese straight sword.


I cannot give a fair comparison between the 2 weapons. I have practiced traditional Iai-do for 4 years and sparred in kendo, but I have only learned Chiense sword techniques through acrobatic wushu, which I am aware is not authentic. However, based on my knowledge that the straightsword in its present shape, even though it was traditionally forged the same way a katana was with the same metellurgical composition, was never used as a battlefied weapon while the katana was, which leads me to believe the katana must have been a superior weapon.

[darrianation]

since the beginning and up to now, you are still stupid.....

for how many times do i tell you that in a bullet:
Chi - is the blast
while....
Jing - is the projectile bullet

so....

the exact quote is:

yea but my .45 shoots Jing bullets!


CONVINCED???????

Stop play with your jing it's not a toy you know.....pervert!

[darrianation]

It is very clear to me that in the early going of Japanese war arts the main weapon of choice was the bow. Archers were the main soldiers. The samurai probably learned weapons training in a distance style of progression meaning bow, spear, sword, tanto/knife, and then empty hands.

The Yamato of Japan had wars with the Koreans who had archers that rode on horseback. Yamato soon adopted this practice for its effectiveness (400-500s AD). The weapon of choice remained the bow, the sword was only used when an archer ran out of arrows, or had lost/broken his bow.

In the 600s AD The Yamato were driven off the Korean continent by the Chinese riding horse back and using crossbows. After being overthrown by Temmu crossbows were implemented soon after. To what extent I don’t know they lacked the distance of the long bow.

Bows, spears, swords, and horses were the main weapons. However my favorite weapon that was used later by the samurai was the Hachiwari (helmet splitter), basically was a iron club used for cracking skulls and parrying weapons such as the sword. It also had a hook (Jutte) at the base just above the handle that could be used to jab with and may have been used to trap sword blades and break them off. Often the Hachiwari was held in one hand while the other carried a sword.

There also was the Manrikigusari a metal chain with a weight at on end. This was used for parrying weapons like swords/spears and the weighted end to strike with.

My least favorite was the Tesson A folded fan with metal ribs. The most bazaar was the Shakuhachi or bamboo flute that was used like a club.

[darrianation]

As for what weapons are better Chinese vs. Japanese, or any other? I don't know and is really not a interest of mine. I think Chinese weapons are just fine, infact I own a couple of Chinese weapons myself. I own 2 Chinese made SKSs. I like them a lot!

[Thai Bri]

This habit of posting again and again before anyone has replied is catchnig.

[Thai Bri]

Shite. Even I'm doing it now.