Afraid of MMA competition

[sherwinc]

there is no secrets in kung fu, its all about character & good wisdom. but then again, i`m very sure that if you are so eager to prove yourself, why don`t you start challenging all the kung fu schools in your area ? it doesn`t have to be televised nor does it have to be in the UFC. And if you`er finish with that you can travel to China & publicly announce your challenge.

other than that, just what you said PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

yaa, like what the Snake Clan versus Eagle Clan did before.... it proved that the Southern Eagle Claw system is superior than the Unlimited Techniques of the Snake Systems......

a challenge invitation before by kungfu club versus kungfu club, especially if you are a fake kungfu club planning to build a fake kungfu club near KongHan and BengKiam Schools - a challenge letter wrap into stone and thrown to your fake kungfu club.....

[sherwinc]

Ipon your right I was bit overboard on the put up or shut up thing. That really didn't have anything to do with what I was trying to say.

I am saying what better place to showcase your system and try to work out the kinks? You don’t' have to give up on the eye gouging and throat striking thing, but there is more to the MAs than that.

Ring fighting is not the final word on a system’s effectiveness and I will be the first to admit to that but it is a way to but the theory to the test once in a while without getting your eye put out.

I mean what more do you want? If your system has head butting there are tourneys that allow that. If you want to use knees, elbows, Palm strikes, ridge hands, hammer fists, spinning elbow, back fists, and the list goes on, guess what? You are allowed. If you want to use fancy jump spinning upside down kicks you are allowed. If your system teaches techniques to crush bones, or snap joints or even pull hair you can do these things in the MMA tourney’s like the UFCs. I am tired of people pulling “my art is too deadly” out of the hat trick.

I mean damn how much does an art rely on eye gouges, biting, and throat strikes that it suddenly becomes useless when you take these things away? These are important in self-defense, but talk about putting all you eggs in one basket.

You dont even mention any martial arts weaponry, and any obstacles might found besides the two fighters.....

perhaps, MMA doesnt concentrate on such martial art weaponry, do only do care about their hand and feet as a weapon and nothing more.....


perhaps in kungfu, example:
in a butterfly kick, the kungfu jumps and evades to have a distance gap - to evade attacks target to the feet level......

a butterfly kick is also used just to attack an opponent with a downward straight sword trust in a non-telegraphic or in a surprise attack that the opponent too late to be shocked by an unexpected blade trust connection.....

Note:
the form that you see in kungfu with his fist attack is also the same form while he use his kungfu weapon.....

as i always said before:
KungFu Forms (Set Patterns) is the Blue-Print of your kungfu Style/System, ..... then show me your advance KungFu Forms and i will know how expert or stupid you are.....

[sherwinc]

I think this is really what it's about- the here and now Real world vs. old world theories.The difference of living in theory and living in reality.

Also just becuase some of those theories have been proven 100's of years ago or 10 years ago doesn't mean they don't need to be proven now. Putting theory to the test and retesting it and making the necessary changes is the way to truth.

KungFu is a century proven martial arts - its effectiveness.......

yesterday - you could not easily put to jail when you kill someone on such tournaments.....

but now????? retesting the art will lead you to enter jail...... understand?????

[sherwinc]

"invincible"

There's the word I knew was coming! hahahhahaahahahahahaahahhaaa

Bring on the clowns...

you are a Human Dummy, perhaps many fists landed unto your head cause you dont emphasize "Defense"

this is the result, others may think you are taking drugs.....

Note:
our head cant accept more and more blows from the opponent, since your martial art is classified as a Human Dummy.....

even clear explainations you still dont understand......

even clear explainations you still dont CONVINCED.....

[Dim Wit Moc]

The pressure that Thai has put on me has been too much. I must commit the traitorous act of divulging well guarded secrets. May the ancestors forgive me.

1) Coiling Snake - Hint. Watch your arms for an armbar and elbow break.
2) Tiger Triple Fury - Hint. Watch your throat, nuts and eyes.
3) Monkey Steals the Buttwipe's Peach - Hint. Watch your cheeks
4) Playful Monkies Increase IQ - One monkey does the Paulie Zink funny stuff while the other monkey crushes the skull. They then remove the brains and have them for dinner. This technique is not for the squeemish.
5) Spitting Cobra - Hint. Watch your eyes for vision impairment.
6) Revelation Dragon - Hint. Dragon knows he's going down so he takes as many as he can with him.
7) Hungry Tiger - Hint. Drop that chin and guard that throat.
8) Sleeping Crane - Hint. Don't let the crane's beak near those eyes.
9) Monkey Eats the Cookie - Think Mike Tyson
10)Leopard Defends Den - Watch everything that can be ripped or bitten.
11)Duck teams with Snake: Now who could take Duck Kung Fu seriously? Everyone should have a good laugh preceeding their death. Duck quacks and waddles as snake applies Chinese strangle. Shime Waza in Japanese.
12)Snake Takes College Class in French Revolution - Snake applies guillotine until victim unconscience or dead depending on compassion of snake.

I still have a lot of work to do on my fireballs, flying, and walking on the sides of wall. Haven't got those things mastered yet.

There are thousands more. Kung Fu is not a game, but a lifestyle and very serious business.

[konghan]

"invincible"

There's the word I knew was coming! hahahhahaahahahahahaahahhaaa

Bring on the clowns...

Yup, I know that most "Westerners or Americans" have resereved that word or right to themselves, but its too bad its not. That`s why they get so pissed when they are not numero uno!. It seem very strange though, that manay of the kung fu bashers here are calling for kung fu people to join UFC & Pride type of tournaments to proove themselves & yet why don`t they go join kung fu tournaments instead & proove their "invincibility". There are lots of kung fu tournaments in Asia & in China & many "none kung fu fighters got their butt kick the only reason UFC and other pro type American fighters don`t fight there is because those tournaments refuse to pay them for their "exhibition".

Since majority of kung fu bashers here base their information about kung fu on comic books, movies & fantasy stories. Well, here are more info why kung fu don`t fight in MMA,,,, even with the gloves on, their chi power can panetrate the leather melting it away, then their ability to leap 10 feet high in the air & suspend themselves up high delivering deadly chop-chop blows on their grappling opponent in the head causing brain & paralysing damage. Then there is the " 5 finger heart palm death strike" a properly place attack into the chest with a the powerful fingers hitting the exact pressure point in the chest then with the palm strike stunning the heart that will cause death in "5 seconds". Thats` why kung fu don`t fight in UFC/Pride tournaments they value the life & career of those athletes.

What I like to see in UFC/ Pride tournaments are Hulk Hogan or The Rock or Captain America, Peter Parker or maybe the DAREDEVIL to proove themselves in """real combat""".

[jubaji]

you are a Human Dummy, perhaps many fists landed unto your head cause you dont emphasize "Defense"

this is the result, others may think you are taking drugs.....

Note:
our head cant accept more and more blows from the opponent, since your martial art is classified as a Human Dummy.....

even clear explainations you still dont understand......

even clear explainations you still dont CONVINCED.....

Aaaaaaah! Help! An "invincible" warrior is firing angry chi-words at me!

[konghan]

Aaaaaaah! Help! An "invincible" warrior is firing angry chi-words at me!

See how powerful kung fu is!, it takes only a few words to scare away enemy of kung fu. And not a single finger has been lifted. The main power of kung fu "chi" is this hohoho

[darrianation]

History is full of lessons to be learned. A person must be willing to do some digging and draw conclusions. I pick up on the tone of comments real well, and have a hard time opening up to someone who is just going to say their sensors are picking up toro caca. If a clan, nation, individual, crime syndicate, or anyone else is going to war, it should be apparent that secrets not be divulged to the opposition. Deception, trickery, misinformation and all sorts of ruses must be used. If I'm going to stab someone in the back, I'm not going to show the knife and give a lecture on how I am going to do it. If I'm going to do a "Yellow Dog Digs in the Sand" technique, I'm not going to tip my hand before I do it. I am certainly not going to reveal how I am going to screw over the enemy no matter how much he taunts me. The "logic" I am hearing is that if someone doesn't reveal how he is going to do me in, he must not know how to do it, escapes me.

Perhaps Israeli tank forces should have tipped off the Arabs when they employed the new tactic of the retreating ambush. This caused the Russian advisors to rethink their whole tank strategy because they expected the enemy to just sit there and be overrun by superior numbers. This is what they had experienced in World War II engagements, and they expected the same stupidity to go on forever.

Chinese masters would teach their systems only to a select few and they were always Chinese. They kept many secrets that they did not even teach their own pupils to always have the advantage. Maybe they should have taught potential enemies these secrets because these individuals threw barbs their way. By golly, the enemy would then know that this guy wasn't just full of baloney, but actually did know something. I don't think the masters gave a rat's behind what these antagonistic fellows thought.

Come to think of it, we should have told the Nazi's our strategies and tactics so they would know we weren't stupid and the battles would have been more fair.

Of all the kung fu animals, the leopard is my favorite. It is a treacherous cat, that attacks from ambush, with a ferocity unmatched in the animal world. If it walked up to the prey in the open, it would join the saber-tooth cat. I can be as faithful as the family dog or as treacherous as the leopard. It is my ying and yang. I can tell you how I have done this on two occasions in the last two days, and the other guy didn't even know what happened. This did not happen in the physical arena. Kung fu can be as direct as any ring competitor with tiger techniques or use nurturing force with crane techniques. It can wrap a problem up and take it down using the snake, and not be there when Igor wants to kill, maim or destroy when using the dragon.

I can almost hear the refrain now and it goes something like this. "What a crock of b _ _ _." Oh really? Problem solving can be physical, it can be psychological, it can be many things. I practice this kung fu in everyday life and have had success. It's hard to quantify how much, but I am satisfied.

If this is too esoteric, then it will have to remain that way. If a person wants the direct and easy to understand approach, I guess they could just buy a gun and shoot their problems. But then again, this approach could take their freedom away for a long time. This brings us back to the proposition that the smart thing to do is do your enemy in and walk off smelling like a rose. This requires the use of the brain as well as the physical.

You are starting to sound like counselor Troy the empath on star trek (generations), or one long Chinese proverb.

But what exactly is you point?

Are you saying us non-KF practitioners cannot use our brains to avoid violent confrontation? Just because we carry guns and knives we are more likely to shoot/stab someone because they bumped into us on the street?

We are not stupid! Any damn self-defense instructor worth a damn will advocate and teach non-violent conflict resolution. Teach ways to be aware, assess risk, and give tips on staying safe. You need to know the use of force latter, and the best defense is not being there in the first place. This is all common sense stuff, we don’t need any ancient Chinese philosophy to tell us that.

You are a leopard, dog, tiger, and a dragon.

If I were to describe my own personal fighting style in terms of an animal I would say I am like the bull:

I am the bull, peaceful and gentle when left alone, but if provoked I can be stubbornly determined, tenacious, and unstoppable. I will come directly at enemy, again, and again, and again, releasing my wrath with ferocity. I have no fancy or complicated movements, but I will trample my enemies into submission under hoof, or I may gore them with my horns until they are no longer a threat.

My interpretation of the Bull:

The bull is big and strong (his physical attributes). He is fearless and stubborn, and his determination unstoppable (his psychological attributes). His hooves are his natural weapons (hands, fingers, fists, feet, shins, knees, elbows, forearms, head, teeth and etc). His horns represent his mechanical weapons (guns, knives, sticks, and etc). A Bull is not a complicated creature nor is he graceful or nimble but he is a force to be reckoned with.

Here is my proverb:

“There is only one true master that is the master of one’s self. As your own master you may help guide others to their own self-mastery”. Darrianation

[darrianation]

History is full of lessons to be learned. A person must be willing to do some digging and draw conclusions. I pick up on the tone of comments real well, and have a hard time opening up to someone who is just going to say their sensors are picking up toro caca. If a clan, nation, individual, crime syndicate, or anyone else is going to war, it should be apparent that secrets not be divulged to the opposition. Deception, trickery, misinformation and all sorts of ruses must be used. If I'm going to stab someone in the back, I'm not going to show the knife and give a lecture on how I am going to do it. If I'm going to do a "Yellow Dog Digs in the Sand" technique, I'm not going to tip my hand before I do it. I am certainly not going to reveal how I am going to screw over the enemy no matter how much he taunts me. The "logic" I am hearing is that if someone doesn't reveal how he is going to do me in, he must not know how to do it, escapes me.

Perhaps Israeli tank forces should have tipped off the Arabs when they employed the new tactic of the retreating ambush. This caused the Russian advisors to rethink their whole tank strategy because they expected the enemy to just sit there and be overrun by superior numbers. This is what they had experienced in World War II engagements, and they expected the same stupidity to go on forever.

Chinese masters would teach their systems only to a select few and they were always Chinese. They kept many secrets that they did not even teach their own pupils to always have the advantage. Maybe they should have taught potential enemies these secrets because these individuals threw barbs their way. By golly, the enemy would then know that this guy wasn't just full of baloney, but actually did know something. I don't think the masters gave a rat's behind what these antagonistic fellows thought.

Come to think of it, we should have told the Nazi's our strategies and tactics so they would know we weren't stupid and the battles would have been more fair.

Of all the kung fu animals, the leopard is my favorite. It is a treacherous cat, that attacks from ambush, with a ferocity unmatched in the animal world. If it walked up to the prey in the open, it would join the saber-tooth cat. I can be as faithful as the family dog or as treacherous as the leopard. It is my ying and yang. I can tell you how I have done this on two occasions in the last two days, and the other guy didn't even know what happened. This did not happen in the physical arena. Kung fu can be as direct as any ring competitor with tiger techniques or use nurturing force with crane techniques. It can wrap a problem up and take it down using the snake, and not be there when Igor wants to kill, maim or destroy when using the dragon.

I can almost hear the refrain now and it goes something like this. "What a crock of b _ _ _." Oh really? Problem solving can be physical, it can be psychological, it can be many things. I practice this kung fu in everyday life and have had success. It's hard to quantify how much, but I am satisfied.

If this is too esoteric, then it will have to remain that way. If a person wants the direct and easy to understand approach, I guess they could just buy a gun and shoot their problems. But then again, this approach could take their freedom away for a long time. This brings us back to the proposition that the smart thing to do is do your enemy in and walk off smelling like a rose. This requires the use of the brain as well as the physical.

You are starting to sound like counselor Troy the empath on star trek (generations), or one long Chinese proverb.

But what exactly is you point?

Are you saying us non-KF practitioners cannot use our brains to avoid violent confrontation? Just because we carry guns and knives we are more likely to shoot/stab someone because they bumped into us on the street?

We are not stupid! Any damn self-defense instructor worth a damn will advocate and teach non-violent conflict resolution. Teach ways to be aware, assess risk, and give tips on staying safe. You need to know the use of force latter, and the best defense is not being there in the first place. This is all common sense stuff, we don’t need any ancient Chinese philosophy to tell us that.

You are a leopard, dog, tiger, and a dragon.

If I were to describe my own personal fighting style in terms of an animal I would say I am like the bull:

I am the bull, peaceful and gentle when left alone, but if provoked I can be stubbornly determined, tenacious, and unstoppable. I will come directly at enemy, again, and again, and again, releasing my wrath with ferocity. I have no fancy or complicated movements, but I will trample my enemies into submission under hoof, or I may gore them with my horns until they are no longer a threat.

My interpretation of the Bull:

The bull is big and strong (his physical attributes). He is fearless and stubborn, and his determination unstoppable (his psychological attributes). His hooves are his natural weapons (hands, fingers, fists, feet, shins, knees, elbows, forearms, head, teeth and etc). His horns represent his mechanical weapons (guns, knives, sticks, and etc). A Bull is not a complicated creature nor is he graceful or nimble but he is a force to be reckoned with.

Here is my proverb:

“There is only one true master that is the master of one’s self. As your own master you may help guide others to their own self-mastery”. Darrianation

[darrianation]

History is full of lessons to be learned. A person must be willing to do some digging and draw conclusions. I pick up on the tone of comments real well, and have a hard time opening up to someone who is just going to say their sensors are picking up toro caca. If a clan, nation, individual, crime syndicate, or anyone else is going to war, it should be apparent that secrets not be divulged to the opposition. Deception, trickery, misinformation and all sorts of ruses must be used. If I'm going to stab someone in the back, I'm not going to show the knife and give a lecture on how I am going to do it. If I'm going to do a "Yellow Dog Digs in the Sand" technique, I'm not going to tip my hand before I do it. I am certainly not going to reveal how I am going to screw over the enemy no matter how much he taunts me. The "logic" I am hearing is that if someone doesn't reveal how he is going to do me in, he must not know how to do it, escapes me.

Perhaps Israeli tank forces should have tipped off the Arabs when they employed the new tactic of the retreating ambush. This caused the Russian advisors to rethink their whole tank strategy because they expected the enemy to just sit there and be overrun by superior numbers. This is what they had experienced in World War II engagements, and they expected the same stupidity to go on forever.

Chinese masters would teach their systems only to a select few and they were always Chinese. They kept many secrets that they did not even teach their own pupils to always have the advantage. Maybe they should have taught potential enemies these secrets because these individuals threw barbs their way. By golly, the enemy would then know that this guy wasn't just full of baloney, but actually did know something. I don't think the masters gave a rat's behind what these antagonistic fellows thought.

Come to think of it, we should have told the Nazi's our strategies and tactics so they would know we weren't stupid and the battles would have been more fair.

Of all the kung fu animals, the leopard is my favorite. It is a treacherous cat, that attacks from ambush, with a ferocity unmatched in the animal world. If it walked up to the prey in the open, it would join the saber-tooth cat. I can be as faithful as the family dog or as treacherous as the leopard. It is my ying and yang. I can tell you how I have done this on two occasions in the last two days, and the other guy didn't even know what happened. This did not happen in the physical arena. Kung fu can be as direct as any ring competitor with tiger techniques or use nurturing force with crane techniques. It can wrap a problem up and take it down using the snake, and not be there when Igor wants to kill, maim or destroy when using the dragon.

I can almost hear the refrain now and it goes something like this. "What a crock of b _ _ _." Oh really? Problem solving can be physical, it can be psychological, it can be many things. I practice this kung fu in everyday life and have had success. It's hard to quantify how much, but I am satisfied.

If this is too esoteric, then it will have to remain that way. If a person wants the direct and easy to understand approach, I guess they could just buy a gun and shoot their problems. But then again, this approach could take their freedom away for a long time. This brings us back to the proposition that the smart thing to do is do your enemy in and walk off smelling like a rose. This requires the use of the brain as well as the physical.

You are starting to sound like counselor Troy the empath on star trek (generations), or one long Chinese proverb.

But what exactly is you point?

Are you saying us non-KF practitioners cannot use our brains to avoid violent confrontation? Just because we carry guns and knives we are more likely to shoot/stab someone because they bumped into us on the street?

We are not stupid! Any damn self-defense instructor worth a damn will advocate and teach non-violent conflict resolution. Teach ways to be aware, assess risk, and give tips on staying safe. You need to know the use of force latter, and the best defense is not being there in the first place. This is all common sense stuff, we don’t need any ancient Chinese philosophy to tell us that.

You are a leopard, dog, tiger, and a dragon.

If I were to describe my own personal fighting style in terms of an animal I would say I am like the bull:

I am the bull, peaceful and gentle when left alone, but if provoked I can be stubbornly determined, tenacious, and unstoppable. I will come directly at my enemy, again, and again, and again, releasing my wrath with ferocity. I have no fancy or complicated movements, but I will trample my enemies into submission under hoof, or I may gore them with my horns until they are no longer a threat.

My interpretation of the Bull:

The bull is big and strong (his physical attributes). He is fearless and stubborn, and his determination unstoppable (his psychological attributes). His hooves are his natural weapons (hands, fingers, fists, feet, shins, knees, elbows, forearms, head, teeth and etc). His horns represent his mechanical weapons (guns, knives, sticks, and etc). A Bull is not a complicated creature nor is he graceful or nimble but he is a force to be reckoned with.

Here is my proverb:

“There is only one true master that is the master of one’s self. As your own master you may help guide others to their own self-mastery”. Darrianation

[jubaji]

See how powerful kung fu is!, it takes only a few words to scare away enemy of kung fu. And not a single finger has been lifted. The main power of kung fu "chi" is this hohoho

"Not a single finger has been lifted"? I dunno...

[Dim Wit Moc]

I finally picked up on what you were saying on the third post. You have made a lot of untrue assumptions. If you have read what I said about you personally, you will understand that I think you are a very intelligent fellow. You are probably more intelligent than me. Mensa has never given me a phone call. That doesn't bother me because I use my resources to the best of my abilities. To underestimate one's enemy is a major mistake. History is full of this lesson.

If you use the kung fu of a bull to win, then you are a wise man indeed. I respect all martial arts and am aware that many teach what you are saying. My son studies Aikido, and this is just one example.

I, too, avoid conflicts and if I am wrong I will back down. If I am right, I have tenacity too. Perhaps too much can be "read between the lines".

[darrianation]

as i always said before:
KungFu Forms (Set Patterns) is the Blue-Print of your kungfu Style/System, ..... then show me your advance KungFu Forms and i will know how expert or stupid you are.....

Being good at performing form/kata doesn’t mean a damn thing when comes to your ability to fight. I know guys who can perform a Kata with the precision of a master technician. But would get there but kicked by a second rate fighter.

Kata is performance art. It is a dance or ballet but nothing more.

When I was in my Karate tournament days I rarely competed in the forms competition. On a couple of occasions my instructor made me enter, I placed dead last both times, but in KumiteI defeated all the top forms guys.

[darrianation]

Oh shit I am sorry about the triple posts. My computer froze I didn't even know that even posted at all.