Has anyone fought decent chinese MA practitioners?

[CKD]

Is this the Chin jab you are talking about http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0873...46#reader-page Its somewhere in there.

[jubaji]

Okay drama Queen; does that come with two snaps and a hip shake? It sounds like you get your posting advice from the queer guys.

You sure this is the approach you want to take? Is this from the highly advanced 'I'm rubber, you're glue' technique of discourse?

[darrianation]

You sure this is the approach you want to take? Is this from the highly advanced 'I'm rubber, you're glue' technique of discourse?

No, actually I don’t. I thought we saw more eye to eye on things but I guess we don’t so much as I thought. I just thought you were having a hard time understanding the technique I was describing, so I kept trying to explain it. Come to find out you understood just fine, it was the way I presented the material you disliked. Honestly you could of just called me a blow hard or a bag of hot air from the beginning and that’s is true, but bro’, you called me kungfoolery and that’s a low blow. You hurt that one feeling I had left.

[darrianation]

Is this the Chin jab you are talking about http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0873...46#reader-page Its somewhere in there.

The chin jab per WE Fairbairn is a good move in my book, powerful, direct, and aggressive. The blast has the exact same strike palm heals to the chin with same angle of attack, but in the blast version it has slightly different body position. It’s a little more defensive and protects the vitals a little better especially if the guy has a knife you don’t see.

[jubaji]

mea culpa

You hurt that one feeling I had left.

Aaaw, man. Now I'm feelin' down


I shall now poke myself in the eyes to make it up to you.


*Ouch*! Hey that DOES hurt!

[SimonM]

BJJ,

If you know BJJ, Bjj, you can throttle about 99 percent of the kung fu guys if you're including groundfighting.

Not always true. It's a misconception that Kung Fu has no ground work techniques. Chin'na and Shuai Jiao techniques can both be used against BJJ to great effect. However you put a BJJ guy against a half decent WC guy in a no rules environment and yes he will go for the eyes; if he is fast and good enough to hit it's a good move.

Besides which BJJ gets slammed by good strikers unless the BJJer crosstrains in a decent striking art.

[SimonM]

Because most CMA is garbage

Bullshit.

[SimonM]

For him to elbow you effectively he needs torque,.

Darrianation if you are trying to help defend KF from these twerps please stop, comments like this demonstrate that you have either been taught elbows wrong or misunderstood; elbows are generally a close fighting tool. It's about pop more than torque.

Also I am going to comment once and just once on eye strikes. Yes Kung Fu uses them. Wing Chun is particularly fond of them. If one lands it is a very effective way of getting an opening for more shots. The problem is not with Kung Fu it is with lax training methodology at a lot of gyms right now. No art will work if you stand around waving your arms in the air all day; resistance training and body conditioning are essential! Sparring is crucial! Sparring against opponents from different styles is useful when possible (in smaller towns it may not be regularly possible). Sparring should be full-contact. As far as I am concerned it should be also done with no more than MMA gloves and a mouth guard for pads at the most.

But when assholes start claiming that all kung fu is bad because there have been a few crap sifu's in the USA lately because frankly what little Kung Fu there is in my area is mostly high quality - that is the reason I did that rather than go back to Shorinryu or Kenpo or Judo or Wrestling or JJJ (all arts I have at least dabbled in) when I moved to this area.

[jubaji]

Not always true. It's a misconception that Kung Fu has no ground work techniques. Chin'na and Shuai Jiao techniques can both be used against BJJ to great effect. However you put a BJJ guy against a half decent WC guy in a no rules environment and yes he will go for the eyes; if he is fast and good enough to hit it's a good move.

Besides which BJJ gets slammed by good strikers unless the BJJer crosstrains in a decent striking art.

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[SimonM]

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I'm sorry but it's true; if you only train for the clinch and the ground an outside fighter will slaughter you if they are fast.

[jubaji]

dojo-darling?

I'm sorry but it's true; if you only train for the clinch and the ground an outside fighter will slaughter you if they are fast.

I guess that's why we have so often seen that...oh, wait...

[VeggiMomi]

Soo... what happened to the original question of who has actually *fought* a good CMA practitioner?

I have, but I'm not that good of a fighter yet so my opinion doesn't count LoL.

My husband on the other hand is a very good fighter but gets ripped a new one by our Sifu's aaaall the time.

If you train to fight in any martial art long enough, you'll be fine. The one thing I see consistantly wrong with most of your comments is you seem to think that CMA is just one style..... you do realize that there is a world of styles out there that were created by the Chinese, right? Therefore considered "Chinese Martial Arts"....

There are styles that favor the hands, the legs, groundwork, different animal styles, different grappling techniques, internal styles, etc... There's just so many. Not to mention the different styles that were developed by certain families and kept within those families.

I know it's not the main reason, but there was a time when martial arts, outside of the military, were banned in China. So a lot of the "mystical names" and hidden techniques were made hidden so that they could pass it off as dancing instead of martial arts if they were caught practicing.

Sooo back to the main question... Has anyone fought???

[Tom Yum]

Fought? Nope.

Sparred. Once. A wingchun fellow. I don't think he was used to thai style leg kicks, clinch and real boxing hooks (not haymakers). His straight punching speed was awesome, stayed upright the entire time and had so-so footwork.

If we had fought for real, I suppose he would have had a chance to land an eye gouge, but when we sparred I never kept my head a stationary target and never backed up when he advanced.

Outside arm blocks do not stop body hooks, because they are hooks thrown with speed, balance and body weight power not drunken haymakers with shoulders only. Best way to defend against hooks is to come straight in (an awesome wc-er could probably pull this off), cover/roll with it or get out of the way.

[npk9]

Full-contact fighting w/sport rules a'la SanShou/Kuosho - heck even K-1 rules - I've fought against CMA - they range from ridicolously stupid to highly compitent. Out on the street - no. I wouldn't waste my time. CMA that I've known and come across are close minded but you can blame that on there teacher as well.

If any of you guys want to fight (full-contact sport) a CMA - you can PM me and we'll set up a time and set rules again a'la SanShou/Kuosho or even k-1/thai, whatever your taste is. I guess thats my shout out. Not to prove anything because I just simply love the sport.

[BoarSpear]

Step on his lead foot

Nice variation D, Sifu Duncan leung who was ONE of the h2h instructors for SMEs to the teams in Va Beach used a very similiar approach as does Frank Cucci. I like the chin jab trip variation it can be tweaked to great effect with mongolian wrestling . And yes i have fought a few different styles while a red coat at base clubs the really good kf guys are really good and the bad ones are laughable but then kf doesnt corner the market on brainwashed morons ...i have seen multiple" high school wresting champs" and jj guys both learn the hard way that a knees can remove teeth and break noses. Very few people seem to manage to hide thier intent thus experianced fighters can always make up and cummers look silly, hell most of them do it on thier own.