Basic Hsing I vid

[chris davis 200]

PS: There is a typo on the website. Below the "UK Bagua Institute" the word "traditiona" should be "traditional".

Cheers mate will take a peak!

It seems that he is more a Xingyi expert than anything else. Nothing wrong with that. He is more soft/hard like in Xingyi than purely soft as in Bagua or in Taiji

His main training is Ziranmen or Taoist Natural boxing. please understand that this is VERY basic application.

I would say from training with him that he is Best at Ba gua - his ba gua is unstoppable!! - although so is his Hsing yi and tai chi to be fair. But the twist power of ba gua is definately his speciality.

N i dont really agree this the statement about Xing I being hard soft the other two being soft.

Xing I is primarily a yang art whick makes it extremely hard feeling on the opponent. but does have some soft aspects (water, Tsuan. can be both, Swallow, monkey form displays softness etc)

Taiji is an equal mix of hard and soft - (taiji is the Yin Yang Symbol) Peng and Ji Jin's display that Yang concept to the Art. Liu and An display the Yin concepts.

Ba gua again is a mix - some aspects are very heavy and hard (bear, Mountain) - some aspects are very soft and flowing (swimming dragon style. or wind)

I've viewed the clips and can certainly see some fast stuff going down. Much of it looks similar to what I understand to be "hard" style work, but I do concede that I may just not be understanding what I am seeing.

You just havnt seen traditional Internal stuff mate. When applied it can look hard - but the exponent is using internal mechanics. Like i have said - tendon power is way more powerful than muscle power - this doesnt come out slowly or softly! hence the reason why him hitting my arm from no distance caused such a reaction.

am much less convinced by the throws, which look to be applied against the age old "step forward punch" attack that has undermined reality training the world over.....

My teacher would laugh and totally agree with you - in fact at the start of the VCD he states that there is no real fighting in the disc - just training aids to help you work with concepts.

I will try and get some reality clips up soon - just means i will have to get pretty hurt! but hey i will sacrifice myself!!! ;D

As for checking hiim out - he has left for Canada now teaching a school over there - and then moves to Thailand for a while.

As for him not being the best out there - i am certain he would agree with you - but he is one of only a very very select handful of westeners that actually 'have it' when it comes to internal systems.

Cheers
chris

[Nothingness]

Internal style is about energy delivery. I saw such thing in one of the clips.


I am not defending him. However, has it ever been easy to use throws against resisting people in real life?

I personally think that throws only work if the kuzushi is done right (the balance is well broken). This will be hard to do if the executor is not in the level of expertise above the opponent. If both of them are in the similar level of expertise, then we will se a good match just like in Judo .

[sherwinc]

my teacher applying some basic Hsing I on a fellow student.

http://www.ukbaguainstitute.com/video/HsingYiIntro.wmv

Basic stuff really and from an instructional VCD so it is not real speed for the most part.

Those hits where he hardly looks like he's touching him are where his structure is very solid and he is drilling through the opponent. Add to that the Phoenix Eye Fist hand form and it is like having a chissle driven into your muscle.

He applied this to me 3 weeks ago hitting me right on the nipple - i still have a large bruise!

I will be putting up alot more in the way of Internal Arts Application for everyone to have a look at. Some knife work, some real tai chi application, some group attacks, etc.

Cheers
Chris

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

another rare kungfu fighting art!!!!!!!!!!!


i just download that file and watch and the alphabets that i see is truely like those of ours, it has a 50% similarity of ChiDianBun KungFu....... take note of the Phoenix Eyed fist - we also use that when the opponent is hard to defeat......

the only thing i comment to that clip is that there are no rapid follow-ups - so there is a chance that the opponent can retaliate......

take note.... if you hit your opponent first, you can hit your opponent all the rest..... so a dozen of follow-up attack is recommended........

that clip is one of the best clip that i see with regards to a Scientific KungFu Catergory.......

now, if you combined it with WingChun...... WingChun with Hsing-I, plus NgoChoKun, even without ChiDianBun, still the result is a devastating powerful kungfu art..........

[Nothingness]

"The whole is larger than the sum of its parts." - Gestalt Psychology

[chris davis 200]

the only thing i comment to that clip is that there are no rapid follow-ups - so there is a chance that the opponent can retaliate......

This was filmed for an instructional DVD - hence no need for him to follow up - he was just showing simple principles of Hsing I.

One of the fundimental tactics of hsing i is to run the opponent over with a constant advance and superior lines of force - in reality my teacher would be striking full power and advancing with enormous speed. Let me say that these strike were probably 15 - 20 % his total power output - then you get some idea of hsing i striking!

now, if you combined it with WingChun...... WingChun with Hsing-I, plus NgoChoKun, even without ChiDianBun, still the result is a devastating powerful kungfu art..........

I am not sure that you could combine these arts - the power delivery is just too different - Hsing I doesnt spasm the muscles like external systems.

But it is an interesting thought. My teacher has taught a few Wing Chun teachers - they attempted to combine the two arts but ended up just doing HSing I as these were defeated so much by him! ;D

Anyways - thanks for the interest.

Kindest regards
chris

[sherwinc]

This was filmed for an instructional DVD - hence no need for him to follow up - he was just showing simple principles of Hsing I.

One of the fundimental tactics of hsing i is to run the opponent over with a constant advance and superior lines of force - in reality my teacher would be striking full power and advancing with enormous speed. Let me say that these strike were probably 15 - 20 % his total power output - then you get some idea of hsing i striking!



I am not sure that you could combine these arts - the power delivery is just too different - Hsing I doesnt spasm the muscles like external systems.

But it is an interesting thought. My teacher has taught a few Wing Chun teachers - they attempted to combine the two arts but ended up just doing HSing I as these were defeated so much by him! ;D

Anyways - thanks for the interest.

Kindest regards
chris

i think when i find a book of Hsing-I Chuan i'll buy it from the stores here..... cause even thou my KungFu Instructor knows Hing-E (Hsing-I Chuan) and Pa-Kua Kun (Pa-Kua Chuan) he wont allow to teach me that kind of arts.....

sometimes, my instructor is greed for its other kungfu arts.....

learning WingChun is already enough..... i have to concentrate now on Hsing-I to add to my present combined kungfu....

thus, absorb what is usefull, reject what is useless, and to add especially what is my own.......

for i know that i can learn easily on this Hsing-I cause i have many backgrounds in kungfu........ i'll buy a book of it when i find it.... its a pasttime for me

haw haw haw haw

[Thai Bri]

Book learn is good learn with no other learn convinced. Alphabets make up words make up sentences make up paragraphs make up pages make up chapters make up book learn good.

Note:

Book learn ideal is not better to video DVD convinced. Hsin I Ching Chang learn easy when background in real Kung Fu. (note-not fake Kung Fu).

[sherwinc]

Book learn is good learn with no other learn convinced. Alphabets make up words make up sentences make up paragraphs make up pages make up chapters make up book learn good.

Note:

Book learn ideal is not better to video DVD convinced. Hsin I Ching Chang learn easy when background in real Kung Fu. (note-not fake Kung Fu).

with this kind of reply quote, how can you learn something???????

still a human dummy, always a human dummy, and ends in a humman dummy.....

you are still a human dummy as well as your opponent...... both of you are human dummies....... both of you should count for how many bruises, cuts, black-eyes, that you both get when you spar or street fight.......

[bartjam]

Sherwinc,

if Horatio leads with 22-2 ratio, and you follow with 44-4 ratio, and let's say a human dummy hit by you two at 66-6 ratio stabs the back of Horatio, who do you think could have the hand in your hand, thus making his hand your hand?

[Thai Bri]

Exactly. If you don't have a Horatio to fellatio, you could always use human dummy convinced?

[darrianation]

Sorry I don't get it. I realize this is just a demo but what I see is plenty of oppertunity for the attacker to counter trap, and when the demnostrator is attacking one arm with both his hands/arms the attackers other arm is still free to strike.

[Nothingness]

The author stated that it is an instructional demo, which means that the focus is on one technique while others are being isolated. If the demonstator used more power and speed (being capable of doing so, claimed by the author) and the "uke" is allowed to react naturally, you'd just see a bunch of fast arm movements and his sudden collapse. Then it becomes a real fight and not an instructional demo. Properly trained, some might be able to follow the arms movement. However, most don't. Then it becomes a waste demo.


Chris, I am sure that he is a great instructor. Glad that you have an interest in what he teaches. In a handful of qualified instructors, learning the 3 northern internal arts is very good for you. Mind the learning curve, though. It takes a lot of patience. Some people just can't stand the wait of a gourmet food and they go for an instant .

[chris davis 200]

Nothingness,

Thanks for the support mate, I have been in the MA's for 17 years, worked as a doorman alot, been in a bunch of street situations and trained in the internal systems seriously for 3 years very intensley, so i have some knowledge but i am still a begginer.

Sorry I don't get it. I realize this is just a demo but what I see is plenty of oppertunity for the attacker to counter trap,

But again i must stress this is for an instructional VCD - teaching basic excersises and Form no less!!! Not self defence or real time combat demo. he is instructing while he makes these movements.

I am hoping to recieve some more 'real' stuff on video soon - but he has moved to Canada now so it is a bit difficult!

attacking one arm with both his hands/arms the attackers other arm is still free to strike.

yes agreed ......

Also pay attenssion to the distancing. he is attacking the punching arm, the range for the attacker to twist into a jab with the other arm is not very practical. Also you will note that the second hand that is striking the limb is covering his face. The limb attack is done enabling him to change quickly as you see in the last movement.

I will film a clip of me demoing some more real stuff if i cant get hold of Alex.

Would be interested to see some of your training? if you ever manage to film some.

Cheers
Chris

[Nothingness]

Chris,

"In the martial arts world, everyone is one family." With your eagerness to learn and humbleness, I am sure that you are having a significant progess. We are all still learning and walking the same path together.



Best wishes

[chris davis 200]

agree'd my friend.

thankyou and happy training

Chris