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  • #16
    Originally posted by Shaolinkfman
    Dude, I don't know what shaolin youve looked at but its not all gone. It was disquised during the chinese communist period as karate in other countries so as they would not be killed. For the names of the art look at this(HuSanYan was closer Oraenor, sorry).

    Several terms for the Chinese martial arts became popular in China. Guoji (National Skill) has been used in the past, as have guoshu (National Art), zhongguoquan (China Fist), quanfa (the Way of the Fist), and quanshu (Fist Art). The term kung fu does not refer specifically to the martial arts. It is more a slang usage found in the United States and in some parts of southern China. Wushu (War Art) is perhaps the more proper term for Chinese martial arts. The term wushu has been officially adopted by the People's Republic of China. The terms wushu and kung fu (in their reference to classical martial arts) are both generic terms encompassing all the different styles, weapons, routines and other aspects of the Chinese martial arts in general.



    And you only learn the good stuff after XX years is still true with shaolin. They have tried to protect so much of the art that most people get pissed when they don't get the good stuff at first and quit. Though I'm sure that bag would put up quite a fight. To bad they don't teach it like they would in the old day,making you do stance for six months to perfect them and then you still might not get accepted to train. We people from the USA are stupid, arrogant, and want everything now. We would get nowhere in the dynasties trying to learn martial arts. If there were any reason why shaolin has become weaker it is because of the practitioner, not because of the art.

    "If you forget about the traditions of the past, you have no compass for the future."




    Several terms for the Chinese martial arts became popular in China. Guoji (National Skill) has been used in the past, as have guoshu (National Art), zhongguoquan (China Fist), quanfa (the Way of the Fist), and quanshu (Fist Art).

    **I think China wants to unify one art, thats a pretty bad idea because they are only look one way and not in every other way.

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    The term kung fu does not refer specifically to the martial arts. It is more a slang usage found in the United States and in some parts of southern China. Wushu (War Art) is perhaps the more proper term for Chinese martial arts. The term wushu has been officially adopted by the People's Republic of China. The terms wushu and kung fu (in their reference to classical martial arts) are both generic terms encompassing all the different styles, weapons, routines and other aspects of the Chinese martial arts in general.
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    The term kung fu does not refer specifically to the martial arts- correct but is the heart and philosophy of what you do in martial arts.You should really call it by the name of the art and that kung fu describes what you are doing.

    Wushu (War Art) is perhaps the more proper term for Chinese martial arts.-Incorrect, wu shu is wushu, a performance art. wu(mo in cantonese) is weilding or performing or both. Wu itself has no association with war. wushu performers are a mimic of the proper kung fu martial artists which are over dramaticised for chinese opera purposes.

    The term wushu has been officially adopted by the People's Republic of China. The terms wushu and kung fu (in their reference to classical martial arts) are both generic terms encompassing all the different styles, weapons, routines and other aspects of the Chinese martial arts in general.- The people's republic are communists, they will be biased AGAINST kung fu and pro wushu. I think the communists are still afraid that the kung fu masters may regroup the triads again.

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    • #17
      Yea um, Wushu doesn't mean performing arts. But it is general (duh)

      " Literally translated, "wu" is military, "shu" is art. Wushu therefore means the art of fighting, or martial arts. "

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Shaolinkfman
        Yea um, Wushu doesn't mean performing arts. But it is general (duh)

        " Literally translated, "wu" is military, "shu" is art. Wushu therefore means the art of fighting, or martial arts. "

        www.beijingwushuteam.com/

        Do you believe everything the internet provides you? war is 戰爭(dar jerng in cantonese- kinda means big hitting), its 2 sounds, 2 syllables and 2 characters to create a word. wushu (mo sert in cantonese) means performance art.Alot of circus does this. Dont get mad, just realise that the reality is that you do a performance art!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Oraenor
          Do you believe everything the internet provides you? war is 戰爭(dar jerng in cantonese- kinda means big hitting), its 2 sounds, 2 syllables and 2 characters to create a word. wushu (mo sert in cantonese) means performance art.Alot of circus does this. Dont get mad, just realise that the reality is that you do a performance art!
          Dude I wouldn't care if it did mean performing art but it doesn't. i have checked out at multiple site and they all say it mean in general martial arts and that the actual reading is Wu(war) shu(art). And the reason your might differ is because the translation is a member of sino tibetan languages not cantonese. Why would you use cantonese anyways when madarin is the official chinese language.




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          • #20
            Originally posted by Shaolinkfman
            Dude I wouldn't care if it did mean performing art but it doesn't. i have checked out at multiple site and they all say it mean in general martial arts and that the actual reading is Wu(war) shu(art). And the reason your might differ is because the translation is a member of sino tibetan languages not cantonese. Why would you use cantonese anyways when madarin is the official chinese language.




            http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/wushu

            So you'd mock my chinese heritage and what I know of the language over you ideals of this beloved WUSHU. sino tibetan,madarin and what not translated to cantonese is alot closer than being translated to english. All those sites you post in are pro wu shu and of course they will brag on about the glories of wushu. Wu shu's glory is the result when china has pretty much lost all their true kung fu weilders after the many massacres.The last major HQ for any kung fu to be honest is Hong kong, safe from the massacres and the people in HK mainly speak cantonese. China has little KF masters left apart from internal styles, just alot of wushu, the new fad.
            On another note, wushu has little science combat in it, just alot of fancy fast moves that are for PERFORMANCE. Watch a chinese circus with little children doing flips, that is WUSHU.War art my arse, more like circus art, finished dancing yet?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Shaolinkfman
              Dude, I don't know what shaolin youve looked at but its not all gone. It was disquised during the chinese communist period as karate in other countries so as they would not be killed. For the names of the art look at this(HuSanYan was closer Oraenor, sorry).
              Shaolinkfman, you are growing on me, I like you , it becomes quite clear how the fountains of knowledge & wisdom that the members de premiere really are....
              Poor old Oreanor doesn't really know what day it is

              Oreanor, hmmm, let me see now, get with the Steve Irwin program mate
              well I for one wouldnt believe anyones version from a land that produces 'Neighbours', 'Home & Away' and 'Sons & Daughters'

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              • #22
                Originally posted by HuSanYan
                Shaolinkfman, you are growing on me, I like you , it becomes quite clear how the fountains of knowledge & wisdom that the members de premiere really are....
                Poor old Oreanor doesn't really know what day it is

                Oreanor, hmmm, let me see now, get with the Steve Irwin program mate
                well I for one wouldnt believe anyones version from a land that produces 'Neighbours', 'Home & Away' and 'Sons & Daughters'
                Thanks for living in a democratic society, we allow people who think like communists

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                • #23
                  havent got a clue what you mean but..............
                  you're welcome

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                  • #24
                    Wushu is written with the same characters as Bu jitsu which means war(rior) art

                    Kung fu, in spite of what people claim this means is actually the same as Chuan fa or qong fa

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                    • #25
                      believe what you want, I'm tired of arguing with superman wannabes. As for Neighbours and Home and Away, they have hot chicks in them....mmmmm Bec Cartwright!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Oraenor
                        All those sites you post in are pro wu shu and of course they will brag on about the glories of wushu.
                        Actually only 2 of those sites were wushu bias. The other ones (fact index and encyclopedia) were completely none bias so they just put the truth not glories. So here some more non bias site for you. Oh and thanks HuSanYan.


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                        Last edited by Shaolinkfman; 10-12-2004, 08:56 PM.

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                        • #27
                          wu shu = war art

                          At one point, I could identify about 4,000 characters. That's enough to read newspapers.

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                          • #28
                            Tae kwon do is crap

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                            • #29
                              Here's some for ya: any "reality self-defense" program you read that is taught by "the Speedmaster" or "the Professor", or who claims to be unlike the other hundreds who claim to have trained the Navy SEALs or Green Berets and who claim with half a dozen moves you can defend yourself from any situation on the street.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Tom Yum
                                wu shu = war art
                                At one point, I could identify about 4,000 characters. That's enough to read newspapers.
                                thanks ever so much for popping round Tom

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