How do kungfu guys fight Boxers ?

[Oraenor]

In theory, many Kung Fu styles do have more options than Western Boxing does, but that is not because of natural superiorty, but in the nature of the style and how, where, and why it developed.

Boxing is an effective style and is more complicated than most MA's realize, especially in the Eastern MA's.

Someone like(not necessarily these two) Muhammad Ali with his speed, length, and footwork or a Mike Tyson with Power, Speed, and Aggressiveness would be difficult for anyone in any art to defeat, even in BJJ, unless they can take them down immediately.

Multiple Styles to apply(Boxing, Slugging-see Boxing styles post)
Multiple Combinations from all angles to the head and body
Sliding, Dancing, Evasive Footwork
Head, Body, and Hand Movement in many directions

Kung Fu is amazing, and is very versatile, but some of you Kung Fu guys need to get realistic and give respect where respect is due.

Any style is effective against another if you know how to use if properly

Finally a boxer that understands the reality of things and I give you credit for it! Boxing is as complicated as kung fu is although you learn less moves, you must compensate by using the common moves to make it up and this comes from experience.In some ways kung fu is easier as the moves are learnt, you just have to adapt and use it.
Kung fu has the advantage of a head to toe knowlege of all fields of combat but takes way longer to learn therefore are not usually as proficient as a boxer is since a boxer takes little time to learn and rest of the time to build experience in combat.The reason why people resort to simple motor skills is because they are not proficient with more complex moves, once those moves are proficient, they become the simple moves for the simple motor skills.

[HuSanYan]

Finally a boxer that understands the reality of things and I give you credit for it!

......here we go

[MADDOG]

Hello,

Interesting post.

I have had the pleasure of Boxing and my father who taught me was an old Navy Boxer. Please note I am not a Kung Fu stylist but an Old School TKD of 21 years in the MA.

Boxers are a special breed. They enjoy contact and are in exceptional shape. They hit hard and fast. They have ok mobility. They play by the rules of the game, but their game is very effective in their range of expertise.

For the MA, regardless of style, you need to be martial. My father taught that the definition of a fair fight is that there is no fair fight. You fight to win. In keeping with what he taught, pick up any thing and utilize it to your advantage, this is not a game and you are here to win. If no weapons/tools are available then eyes-throat-knees. Also be ready for contact, your and theirs.

My father past away in 2001. Today I still teach my students the lessons that he taught. He was a boxer when he wanted to play and a street fighter when he had to survive. The problem with the majority of MA is that they have forgotten the martial part of their art.
I
n respect to my fellow MA who are Kung FU stylist, I know you all get bashed at times, similar to us TKD stylist. This is a shame. I have meet many Kung Fu stylist who have not lost the martial to their art and are an outstanding representative of the MA. The Kung Fu stylists as a whole have maintained the integrity of their art and for that, I have the deepest of respect for your MA community. We as Old school TKD MDK stylist can learn a lot from you.

With respect.
Ed Barton
An Old American TKD MDK

[HuSanYan]

Hi Ed,
2 things, i would replace the "ok mobility" comment with "exceptional mobility" myself but then I am biased.
Secondly, you might be interested in seeing a video clip i posted in the thaiboxing forum in a thread called "TKD beats Muay Thai, no kidding - video clip", as your art is TKD, you might smile while seeing that one as the TKD guy beats the hell out of the Thai boxer fair and square

regards

[samekh]

Remember, Jun Fan trapping is bastardized wing chun.

[samekh]

I think, if you are going to talk style vs. style, that the fight depands on how good the individual fighter is... Go to www.bullshido.com, they have a video of a Muay thai fighter beating the hell out of a TKD fighter. I am not ragging on either style, I just think the Muay Thai fighter was more on top of his game.
Personally, I would rather learn a system than a style.

[Oraenor]

Remember, Jun Fan trapping is bastardized wing chun.

Bruce lee never bastardised WC, it was his students. JKD is basically the way to defend an attack which must be emphasised in all arts but more importantly by each user. JKD was bruce's expression, everyone else just thought it was another system.

[samekh]

Remember, Bruce Lee never completed Wing Chun. He created JKD because he needed to fill the gap that was created by never learning the bil gee. So how could he effectively teach? (probably why he all of the sudden closed all of his schools without ever completing his student's training) And one great mis-conception about JKD is that Bruce Lee took pieces of many Martial arts and added them to his arsenal... Most people think he would take forms from western, japanese, korean, etc. He was chinese and felt that chinese martial arts were superior... JKD is Wing Chun, Mantis, And White Crane... all chinese martial arts.None of which were mastered by him, so he did bastardize Wing Chun. Read Jackie Chan's book, where he writes about a match between Bruce Lee and Sammo Hung... (remember the scene in the beginning of Enter the Dragon?... that was Bruce Lee's statement on physical conditioning. He was saying that no one as out of shape as Sammo Hung could defeat a fighter as in condition as Bruce Lee) Well, in REAL LIFE Bruce Lee could not beat him... he was only a big fish in the western world. And his students could only bastardize JKD, not Wing Chun since he did not teach Wing Chun.

[Tom Yum]

Where are the awesome wingchun fighters and why won't they prove their art against modern day MMA fighters or atleast kickboxers (K-1)? K-1 guys come from boxing, muay thai, kyokushin and savate.

I'm not dissing the system, because I think it has some impressive tools.

[Tameo]

Where are the awesome wingchun fighters and why won't they prove their art against modern day MMA fighters or atleast kickboxers (K-1)? K-1 guys come from boxing, muay thai, kyokushin and savate.

I'm not dissing the system, because I think it has some impressive tools.

My TWC sifu Master Joe Sayah was in K-1 a while ago... won a couple fights i heard.

[Tom Yum]

My TWC sifu Master Joe Sayah was in K-1 a while ago...

Cool. Do you have any pics or vids?

[Tameo]

Cool. Do you have any pics or vids?

You could probably find something about him if you search Joe Sayah in google, i dont think there are any videos of him on the internet fighting in k-1

[sherwinc]

TWC works well against boxing. You just come in with a pak-sao punch and step to the blind side all the time. You use sidestep alot and no boxer will hit you. Just haveto watch the elbows to see what punch is comming.

have to watch the opponents elbows...... now i have an another clue.....

another technique

[yipmanfan]

be careful about watching or focusing on any one particular area... that will cause you to anticipate and chase the punch rathr than meet it and deal with it...

[Nemes1s]

I've heard of Master Joe I believe he teaches in Encino some where, I heard he was very good