Chinese MAs in Real Life?

[IPON]

Please refrain from giving America credit for the evolution of Kickboxing.

Garland I was referring to the quote below from Polecat. What he stated was correct and within context I was only refering to kickboxing that statrted in the US I know other countries have (Kick)boxing styles. Also, I have stated may times I am not a fan of (american)kickboxing due to the sub par boxing kills

Kickboxing in the US was a direct result of full contact karate matches starting in the late 1960's and early 1970's.

[Garland]

I think I agree with most of what you are saying but polcat is right in that kickboxing evolved from full contact karate and I can tell you from experience the "boxing" from kick boxers is generally poor. Now of course I mean in relation to boxers, but of course far better than a person not used to fighting or boxing. If I were to choose I would take a competent boxer over a kick boxer any day. Just my opinion from my experience.

I think what polecat was trying to say was that kickboxing wasn't borne from the street (battle field) like say MT, FMA or jujutsu etc. it was created strictly for competition in the ring. So it can't technically be considered a "street style". But as Garland stated any style trained for combat (street) application will be effective Wrestling, Boxing etc.





Polecat: I do not study MT, but from what I understand the term "competition" is probably very much an understatement. There was alot of broken bones and blood coming from these competitions in the early days

Please refrain from giving America credit for the evolution of Kickboxing. Mixing Karate and Boxing is pretty...well, it barely holds a candle to any of the whole arts that preceed it. So-called "American" Kickboxing is bastardized karate. Kyokushin guys deserve more props (to put it LIGHTLY), because they are true fighters. American kickboxing is a contemptable shadow to even Shotokan karate, or the worst boxing camp in America.
It wasn't a new idea. There are historical references to forms of "kickboxing"
of one sort or another going wayyyyy back into antiquity.
Korea has arts, China has arts, India has arts, Southeast Asia (obviously) has arts, and...even fucking GREECE and FRANCE have what amount to has kickboxing arts.
Every culture has some form of stand-up fighting art that fits to one degree or another the generic and umbrella term of "kickboxing".

[Elfunko]

DEATH
Death has been officially added to the list...

Roflmao!

[jubaji]

I feel like im in kindergarten when i go to this topic. So much pointless arguing.

................................................................


Na-uh!

[Tameo]

I feel like im in kindergarten when i go to this topic. So much pointless arguing.

[47MartialMan]

Interesting indeed........

Would you feel more comfortable with the word novice? Apparently semantics is extremely important on this forum. To me, beginner and novice would be interchangeable. I know the basics (and the history) of my style and I can handle myself well, but I would never presume to be anything other than a beginner/novice at my current level. Someone that's been married for thirty years would look at my paltry two and 1/2 and say I was just starting or maybe even a beginner. Hope this clarifies
Yes, it does clarify. Just say that you have "x" experience and not a beginner for some time or just starting, etc...


I was a doorman starting about the age of 20 and did it part time until age 26 or so. Mostly at a private after hour club and at special events. Started doing it again about six years ago for special events and for friends that own local clubs, probably only 8-10 times a year. Although the Irish pub I used to work at is now under new management, so I probably won't have that gig anymore. I'm forty one now and I'd have to say I'm much better at talking people out of being stupid than I was as a youth.
Most clubs that I had managed and had doorman/bouncers, went for my advice and now use/hire uniform LEO. These LEOs have their squad cars not too far away which serves as a temp lock down of perps until other LEOs arrive. Rarely are incidents wih a visual LEO on detail.


Yes, that's the one. Although I study a style called Ma Lineage Xing Yi Liu He Quan also referred to as Xin Yi Liu He Quan. Before I go throwing my Shifu's name on the internet I would first like to ask his permission. I don't think he would have a problem, but I'd rather not presume.
It is always a good idea to seel permission before posting someone's name. In fact, I was denied permission by two of my instructors. They want their affiars so private, that they do not even have a website for their martial arts. They do not want the internet to exploit their names or their arts.

[veilmk5]

polecat, can u list some things u learned from xing yi or ba gua that were useful in ur fights?

[Tom Yum]

...and now for a commercial break

Top 5 ways to scare away your roommates from the shared dormitory bathrooms.

5. When in stall, spread peanut butter on wadded up tp. fling tp under stall wall with roommate next door and say, "Excuse me, could you kick that one back over here?"

4. With roommate in next stall, wear goggles and drop a cantaloupe from a height of 7 feet into open toilet bowl. After entry, give thanks to "fiber".

3. Write graffiti on roomies favorite side, saying "For an experienced Wizard call (roommates cell number listed)"

2. Pre-wrap all toilets with saran rap. Give roommate soluble laxative as chocholate shake. Enjoy.

1. Buy chef size squeeze bag of dairy cream, mix with corn starch. Apply mixture generously to roommies favorite toilet and when he asks, just say "I guess I blew it!"



Bonus: Replace roommies bathroom reading material with Playgirl, The Enquirer and Better Living magazines.

[polecat63]

Ya, that's almost an understatement from what I've read. Death and maiming were regular occurances from old MT fights. Would suck to be the rookie in that ring.

Anyway, just thought death should be added since it seemed to occur with great frequency (and isn't to be taken lightly since theres no reset button). So, continue as you were.

DEATH
Death has been officially added to the list...

[polecat63]

Interesting indeed........

This doesnt make complete sense to me. How can one be a beginner for some time? How can one consider themself "just starting"-for some time? I have no intentions of offense or controversy, are youe saying that you are a beginner or just starting? Which, per my interpretation, seems to be the same.

Would you feel more comfortable with the word novice? Apparently semantics is extremely important on this forum. To me, beginner and novice would be interchangeable. I know the basics (and the history) of my style and I can handle myself well, but I would never presume to be anything other than a beginner/novice at my current level. Someone that's been married for thirty years would look at my paltry two and 1/2 and say I was just starting or maybe even a beginner. Hope this clarifies


Per when you were a doorman? May I ask, what age are you now and what age were you a doorman?

I was a doorman starting about the age of 20 and did it part time until age 26 or so. Mostly at a private after hour club and at special events. Started doing it again about six years ago for special events and for friends that own local clubs, probably only 8-10 times a year. Although the Irish pub I used to work at is now under new management, so I probably won't have that gig anymore. I'm forty one now and I'd have to say I'm much better at talking people out of being stupid than I was as a youth.


Xing Yi-are you giving the reference of Xingyiquan-also spelled as Hsing I? Who is you Shifu? Shifu is spelled, per Wade Giles/Pinyin as Sifu, Si fuh, Shifu, varying dialect from general Chinese, Manderin, Cantonese, etc. So either spelling is correct.

Yes, that's the one. Although I study a style called Ma Lineage Xing Yi Liu He Quan also referred to as Xin Yi Liu He Quan. Before I go throwing my Shifu's name on the internet I would first like to ask his permission. I don't think he would have a problem, but I'd rather not presume.

[Elfunko]

Polecat: I do not study MT, but from what I understand the term "competition" is probably very much an understatement. There was alot of broken bones and blood coming from these competitions in the early days.

Yeah, from what I've read it was very brutal, and nothing like what we would think a competition is.

Ya, that's almost an understatement from what I've read. Death and maiming were regular occurances from old MT fights. Would suck to be the rookie in that ring.

Anyway, just thought death should be added since it seemed to occur with great frequency (and isn't to be taken lightly since theres no reset button). So, continue as you were.

[47MartialMan]

Hmmmnnnn....interesting

Never said I wasn't a beginner in martial arts. I will consider myself a beginner for some time now, I'm sure. I will also consider myself "just starting" in martial arts for some time, also.
This doesnt make complete sense to me. How can one be a beginner for some time? How can one consider themself "just starting"-for some time? I have no intentions of offense or controversy, are youe saying that you are a beginner or just starting? Which, per my interpretation, seems to be the same.


Never claimed to be an expert, just that I've used CMA's in a real life situation. Remember, that's the topic.
Per when you were a doorman? May I ask, what age are you now and what age were you a doorman?


If you doubt what I'm saying about Xing Yi just do a little research, or talk to someone who knows what it is. And Shifu is the correct spelling. Again, do some research and you won't look so foolish. And next time you rag on someone about their spelling maybe you should proof read your own post.
Xing Yi-are you giving the reference of Xingyiquan-also spelled as Hsing I? Who is you Shifu? Shifu is spelled, per Wade Giles/Pinyin as Sifu, Si fuh, Shifu, varying dialect from general Chinese, Manderin, Cantonese, etc. So either spelling is correct.

[polecat63]

Either you dont speak proper english or your a liar. Just starting something doesnt usually mean you've done it for over a year. Even if your telling the truth a year experience still means you know little about MA.



Isn't this what you said ealier. IF your just starting something it still means your a beginner and doesnt know much about that something. Also you did say you just started MA which means Martial Arts so that means your a begineer to Martial Arts dumbass.

Never said I wasn't a beginner in martial arts. I will consider myself a beginner for some time now, I'm sure. I will also consider myself "just starting" in martial arts for some time, also. The trolls have given me attributes I've never claimed to have. Never claimed to be an expert, just that I've used CMA's in a real life situation. Remember, that's the topic.

And yes, that is what I posted. So if you'll notice it is past tense, not present tense. Not I sarted today, but have been taking, as in the past. Get it.

If you doubt what I'm saying about Xing Yi just do a little research, or talk to someone who knows what it is. We could rag on each others art all day long and it wouldn't change the facts about what I study. ANd Shifu is the correct spelling. Again, do some research and you won't look so foolish. And next time you rag on someone about their spelling maybe you should proof read your own post.

So , based on the fact that all you've done is attack me, (based on someone elses original attack, very original!) one must assume that you've never seen CMA's in a real life situation.

Oh, and grow up. THIS is only a forum. It ain't real life!!!

[Tameo]

I bet you think the same way about what your taking so stfu

[Ravin]

If your Shifu did not explain to you that Xing Yi is a lethal art, he/she should have. Xing Yi is extremely deadly, dangerous, and brutal. It is not an art for the faint of heart.

Funny doesnt every BEGINEER think that about the martial arts they just STARTED learning. Atleast your Sifu (watch the spelling) has finished brainwashing your lame ass.