Basic Throwing Techniques of Sanshou

[Sagacious Lu]

you forgot to mention butt scooting around the ring, and the other guy stopping when you cry uncle...or are choked out or knocked out...and of course the lava and alligators...

Of course, how could I forget the alligators *bangs head against key board*

[Shard]

Eye and crotch gourging don't work too well. More often than not, they leave you open to get armbar-ed by an exprienced grappler. Go ahead, try it out with someone who does grappling. Of course you don't actually go jab his eyes out. Just see if you can get your fingers close to his eyes.

[BoarSpear]

Eye and crotch gourging don't work too well. More often than not, they leave you open to get armbar-ed by an exprienced grappler. Go ahead, try it out with someone who does grappling. Of course you don't actually go jab his eyes out. Just see if you can get your fingers close to his eyes.

yeah no one can eye gouge an mma guy, and even if by some miracle you did, he would so turn up the heat and kick your ass!!

[BoarSpear]

Shard was referring to being in guard while having someone stick their fingers in your eye. Besides, its not like Liddel putting his fingers in Randys eye was all that effective, but he was just trying to keep the distance so he could crack him with his right. But it is definetly effective to aim a punch at the eye or gouge when standing if you know what u r doing like Liddel

so when you have full mobility and the ability to evade its possible to be eyegouged... but while in the gaurd and movements and evasion is limited you cant be eyegouged? btw knowing what youre doing is the object of studying martial arts.

[eXcessiveForce]

that's why you drop an elbow on their heads as they pull you in gaurd

[BoarSpear]

I dont want to argue, but if someone who has been grappling for a while is in his/her guard, and the opponent(on top) tries to stick their finger or hand near their face, they are gonna get armlocked. Go to a bjj academy and actually try to gouge their eye(s) or punch the crap out out of their face while in their guard and youll be quickly submitted.

Really? huh so no bjj guy has ever been punched while in the guard? HMMM its seems omaplata just commented how an opponent ALLOWED to punch him in the face in a real fight was a little eerrrr distracting....it seems he missed his locks...

[Tom Yum]

I dont want to argue, but if someone who has been grappling for a while is in his/her guard, and the opponent(on top) tries to stick their finger or hand near their face, they are gonna get armlocked. Go to a bjj academy and actually try to gouge their eye(s) or punch the crap out out of their face while in their guard and youll be quickly submitted.

Hi MMA fighter,

Grappling is a good thing to know, I don't think anyone has said grappling is useless. The army trains soldiers in GJJ, so they thought it would be worth knowing. There are some awesome grapplers out there with striking skills too who are ruthless fighters.

I think the real issue here that others have mentioned is that it takes more than grappling skills to have a more complete system of self-defense.

[Tom Yum]

Yes, exactly, grappling alone is not the best, we've established that. But what I want to get out to MArtists, is that Boxing and Muay Thai is the way to go in terms of striking, not any other MA(All the styles of kung fu, karate,etc.) I know studying only in bjj/mt, seems narrow minded, but really, thats all you need. There is so many hand to hand MA systems out there but how many actually work when put to pressure?

I've never discredited a MA system, because you will find good fighters in each.

On average, you are correct saying that the average MT trained person will be a better fighter than the average karate trained person because MT practitioners spend 99% of their time conditioning for fights, sparring or working against spontaneous attacks.

Karate has a lot of other elements such as kata that are designed to make well rounded martial artists and add to mental focus and conditioning.

As you meet more and more TMA's, the longer they've been practicing the better they are at fighting as long as they keep their standards up.

There are karateka who can fight REALLY well. They don't advertise and they may not be well known, but these guys can put their art to use....

Let's not forget that in the past, military combatives were based on a system derived from karate, judo and kung-fu.

[Tant01]

Good thing...

Eye and crotch gourging don't work too well. More often than not, they leave you open to get armbar-ed by an exprienced grappler. Go ahead, try it out with someone who does grappling. Of course you don't actually go jab his eyes out. Just see if you can get your fingers close to his eyes.

I guess it's a good thing nobody told Kimura that... He had a reputation as a champion vise grip... Yeah the balls... He used it for SD a number of times. Go ahead try it out on yourself....

[Tant01]

And then? You woke up? Right?

It alright tant01, because I would f*** you up in any fight, with "strict" MMA rules or not.

Are you mad because of something I posted? What brings this on?

Is it because of the Tripp thing? What? I'm confused, I thought we were starting to get along?

Did I mention I'm a Judo guy? A knife guy? (the screen name should be a clue) Do you like to bleed? Really? I'm just at a loss for words here?

Explain it to me, eh? Why so hostile... not that I mind... I'm kinda flattered but I'm really not your type...

[medic06]

Alot of his fights werent even with gloves and he fought guys(most of the time) who completely out weighed him. Download some of his fights, and youll see why hes WAS the best fighter ever. Everyone who does mixed martial arts knows this to be true. U think MMA "Fights" are just some game that any skilled athlete could compete in. It takes years of training in the core MA's(Muay Thai,Boxing, Wrestling,BJJ,etc.) and actually fighting to achieve the level he did, because no one has a kind of fight record to match that. As a 15 year old kid, some boxer(in his 20's) was talking shit to Rickson(half his size), he then stuck him in the face and the two proceeded to fight, rickson eventually choked him out. Anyways, tell me, what aspect of MMA fight are unreal?

I downloaded the one with him and Sakuraba. He won that one??

[medic06]

First off, the surface is irrelevent, in alot of street fight(Usually start by two people arguing or talkink shit), they go to an open place and it is made sure they duke it out one on one. Rules like no eye gouges, are there to keep it legal. But do not really affect the outcome of the fight unlike eye gougeing which if you do, your opponents comrades will probably stomp the shit out of your face if they didnt decide to already jump in. And if you really know how to fight, groin strikes, fish hooking, biting, and small joint manipulation are minor nuisances to skilled fighters. If you put on even a 16 oz. boxing glove, and punch a person hard in the face youll knock him out. MMA gloves are 2-4 oz. And why would there be weapons, its a fight not a killed or be killed situation.

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[Tant01]

First off, the surface is irrelevent, in alot of street fight(Usually start by two people arguing or talkink shit), they go to an open place and it is made sure they duke it out one on one. Rules like no eye gouges, are there to keep it legal. But do not really affect the outcome of the fight unlike eye gougeing which if you do, your opponents comrades will probably stomp the shit out of your face if they didnt decide to already jump in. And if you really know how to fight, groin strikes, fish hooking, biting, and small joint manipulation are minor nuisances to skilled fighters. If you put on even a 16 oz. boxing glove, and punch a person hard in the face youll knock him out. MMA gloves are 2-4 oz. And why would there be weapons, its a fight not a killed or be killed situation.

You need to figure out the damn difference between ASSAULT and SELF DEFENSE...

Your idea of a "FIGHT" is right out of Jr high school

Are you still in the fifth grade? I havn't seen a challenge match like that since Ross Ross kicked Timmy off the monkey bars...

[BoarSpear]

LOL!! Dude, Im new to this forum. I was referring to Boar Spear, because he posted something pretty insulting. My bad, I confused your name with boarspear's because you guys always seemed to night next to eachother in replies. Honest mistake, i was just very pissed confused when i was reading Boarspear's post, sorry about that...

...............SWEEEEEEEETT!! PLEASE tell me which post it was that traumatized you so terribly jr

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[Tant01]

I see...

LOL!! Dude, Im new to this forum. I was referring to Boar Spear, because he posted something pretty insulting. My bad, I confused your name with boarspear's because you guys always seemed to night next to eachother in replies. Honest mistake, i was just very pissed confused when i was reading Boarspear's post, sorry about that...

Hehehe... Try the reply with quote button... easier to keep track that way.