Shuai chiao and Chang Dun Sheng Videos

[BoarSpear]

I dont know, im confused right now.



But, knowing how to wrestle(or grapple whatever you want to call it) for longer than 3 seconds is more practical, period.

Agreed wrestling NO longer than 3 seconds at a time before being separated and starting over is not benificial to the art....yet thats exactly what you followed judumbass with the "" to....See his royal dumbass survives on mocking people with one liners that say nothing...because he knows nothing, but acts like he does. But in reality he had a couple years of tai chi in a park and now he feels free to mock the entire CMA forums...yeah he'll say some shit like its just me he is mocking...but we all know thats a lie. He proved he didnt know shit here but he sure was in full on
"........." mode, huh? It's his mark, the mark of "judumbass"

Pay attention.... he seldom says anything, he just harrasses people he doesn't like...I'm proud to be on that list, but I aint wastin' anymore time on him.

[jubaji]

Agreed wrestling NO longer than 3 seconds at a time before being separated and starting over is not benificial to the art....yet thats exactly what you followed judumbass with the "" to

No, shitforbrains, you have failed to grasp the point yet again. You are too stupid for your own good. You can't even figure out what the arguments you lose are about.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

Agreed wrestling NO longer than 3 seconds at a time before being separated and starting over is not benificial to the art..."

So youre saying that the 3 second rule is NOT beneficial to Chinese Wrestling or Shwah Jwah. Yes or No?

So what makes this Chinese style of wrestling better than normal wrestling?

[BoarSpear]

So youre saying that the 3 second rule is NOT beneficial to Chinese Wrestling or Shwah Jwah. Yes or No?

So what makes this Chinese style of wrestling better than normal wrestling?

Yes Triangle I said the 3 second rule was silly...that would imply I felt it was not benificial! I never said anywhere in this thread (or any other) Shuai Chaio was superior to ANYTHING....but thanks for jumping on the judumbass propaganda train.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

I never said anywhere in this thread (or any other) Shuai Chaio was superior to ANYTHING....but thanks for jumping on the judumbass propaganda train.

Good cause its not, in fact that would make it inferior, especially to mma, even with all that ironpalm striking crap.

[jubaji]

Good cause its not, in fact that would make it inferior, even with all that ironpalm striking crap.

Exactly. Which is where all the silly

very few people can finish with a single strike while being grappled in this day and age. If people still conditioned like the people in the clips and they whack you with a strike its going to stun you or worse .

bullshit came into this godforsaken discussion.

[BoarSpear]

Good cause its not, in fact that would make it inferior, especially to mma, even with all that ironpalm striking crap.

Uh huh...so like I said, you dont know about the art and followed judumbass in.
Little history for you both, Sc came from Go Ti (horn gore) about 1020 bc(Chou dynasty) it became standard fare for training for some armies in China. The techniques were simple, 4 throws and one strike. Anything that wouldnt finish an opponent in under 3 seconds was deemed unfit for the battlefield. Since the entire reason SC was taught to the soldiers was WAR that made sense. Certainly the techniques from the battlefields of 1020bc and the modern martial artist needs are nothing alike nor is their state of conditioning. So to continue practicing an art as though you live and train like a soldier in 1020bc is sort of counterproductive today...hence the point I had that the idea of defeating opponets with these weapons and skills that no longer exist in the system is silly. you might also note the ironpalm that SC people do is not what you are assuming, those burlap or canvas pillow cases contain about 35 to 50 lbs of shot to build extremely strong grips and snatches as well as learning to absorb the alive energy of all that shot shifting in the bags when you catch it. The sole strike they practiced was trained to slam into and grab and snatch in one motion to unroot you (diagonal stiking)...without the conditioning that made those grabs and strikes effective it doesnt work, those were the foundations of the arts powertrain...My point was that type of conditioning is nonexistant and even when it did exist it wasnt guaranteed to end the fight! Note the LOL I placed after the part where I explained that thought process. Yes I consider hand conditioning critical to the CMA's wouldnt you say hand conditioning was essential to boxing? did the training allow you to hit harder than without it? of course...wouldnt a harder strike and stronger grip be benificial to most fighters?.... Children who are threatened by other arts have to have pansy attacks if you point out you train something they dont, and rush to proclaim you're wasting your time by not practicing what they chose to do.... note I didnt start into the MMA idiots with my first posts here on this forum...MMA idiots wouldnt let us discuss them in our own forums just like now....

I'd say it was a safe bet neither of you arguing with me can name a single traditional technique from the art you're commenting on the rules of (without looking it up)....and you havent trained a single day in Ironpalm but you know all you need to know to discount its effectiveness....you sound and look like two idiots with an axe to grind and not the least idea WTF you're talking about.

[BoarSpear]

Good cause its not, in fact that would make it inferior, especially to mma, even with all that ironpalm striking crap.

Ironpalm striking crap? Now you're insulting another art you dont know anything about...would you like to join judumbass on ignore? Or would you like to admit you know jack shit about the subject, and are just running your mouth?.


Funniest of all is Captain dumbass claiming he was referring to ironpalm type strikes in his first "........ " in the thread...yet clearly that wasnt mentioned until later...I said the "conditioning" on the clip...but weasel boy is looking for an out...thats why he uses "...... " so he can weasel when his judumbass crown shows, which is anytime someone who studied the system he is commenting on reads his posts.

The conditioning built the diagonal strike, its SOLE purpose was to destroy your root by shocking your center of balance with a slap in one direction and a sharp snatch in the other which is what the conditioning I mentioned trained...a jarring slap and snatch to set up the throw. If the slap did more damage great but the point to the slap was to unroot and get the throw...Oh and before you get too happy with the "stun or worse before tossing you on your head" part....the diagonal strike is essentially a stiff arm strike delivered with a drop step aimed to the throat or chest...I'd say if that landed its a fair bet it would stun you or worse, wouldnt you? (Sumo slap anyone?) The momentum created from the diagonal strike and step was used to step behind and set up the throw...Feeling as stupid as judumbass looks yet traingle? Isnt it funny how stupid Mr wrestling suddenly looks in a wrestling thread...makes you wonder huh?

One idiot following another commenting on arts neither one of study make you both look like the insecure little bitches you are.

[jubaji]

See post #21 for more

[jubaji]

Funniest of all is my superior in everyway claiming he was referring to ironpalm type strikes in his first "........ " in the thread...?

#17, 32, 36........................

[knifethrower]

No, shitforbrains, you have failed to grasp the point yet again. You are too stupid for your own good. You can't even figure out what the arguments you lose are about.

Hey Boar! If it makes you feel any better, I thank I’ve failed to grasp said point myself ------------------------ is this the point?

Yep, but very few people can finish with a single strike while being grappled in this day and age! If people still conditioned like the people in the clips and they whacked you with a strike its going to stun you or worse and they'll toss you on your head.

Why is this so hard to believe? Why is it so hard to believe one can’t stun or do worse with one shot? If Jim Lacey ( the coconut breaking dude ) hit a guy, it would hurt like hell and stun the poor guy….or worse….is that too Pluto for you guys to go with?

C'mon, you know the answer. Its because the 'back then' people aren't here (or are too old, far too dangerous, or too 'above it all') so any outrageous claim can be made to justify how some people today choose to spend their time and to what they choose to hitch their egos.

I thought that exact same thing no more than a mere three years ago. I use to think that forms were bullshit ( not that you do) and MMA was the place that it all should start and it should all stop (not that you do) Sweet fucking Jesus, I’m glad I have an open mind (not that you don’t)

The more that people fuse their own egos to tales of days of yore, the more desperately defensive they become and the further they drift from verifiable fact and rational thinking.

Actually what you get is boundless possibilities for a form that will take your existence by the balls and change the very way you see reality….. but then again, my view of reality was skewed to begin with--------

You end up with phantoms, fables, transparently fabricated anecdotes, and pasty middle-aged dudes with embarrassing ponytails whacking coconuts and imagining their unstoppable killing powers.

No…you get some jack off red neck who annoys the fuk out of people. Again, I think the question is….is it the effectiveness of Iron Palm that is in question or is it that Boar is just an asshole----------

I wonder which clip we were supposed to be so almighty impressed by.

I’ll get too that if you want me to.

[jubaji]

Why is it so hard to believe one can’t stun or do worse with one shot?

Its not. Of course it is possible to stun a person with one shot, and of course throws can be set up with shots. Its the notion that only 'In days of yore' when people used the super-amazing training (none of which was to be found on the links provided) were people powerful enough to include the 3-second rule because it was just a given that they would crush their opponent with their mighty fists where it gets a bit silly. The message was that this rule doesn't make sense today because people just aren't as dangerous as the warriors of yore with their mighty glowing fists of fury. Further, the idea that iron palm training produces 'warriors' whose slightest touch will bruise your soul, is also taking a perfectly legitimate training component and pushing it into little boar boy's fantasy world. I'd much rather have someone who spends his time whacking coconuts trying to hit me than say, a professional boxer. Are we to fear people who break wooden boards and roofing tiles now too? If someone has conditioned his hands and can hit hard, ect, great. But Boringspear has to take it to fantasy world again. Its always about romantacizing the past and mysticizing whatever training agenda he happens to be on about with that guy.

[stabbychick]

No…you get some jack off red neck who annoys the fuk out of people. Again, I think the question is….is it the effectiveness of Iron Palm that is in question or is it that Boar is just an asshole----------

--- ROTFLMAO!!!

[knifethrower]

Its the notion that only 'In days of yore' when people used the super-amazing training

Did he write this?

were people powerful enough to include the 3-second rule because it was just a given that they would crush their opponent with their mighty fists

No…

The message was that this rule doesn't make sense today because people just aren't as dangerous as the warriors of yore with their mighty glowing fists of fury.

He didn’t write that either….

Further, the idea that iron palm training produces 'warriors' whose slightest touch will bruise your soul, is also taking

Not this….

But Boringspear has to take it to fantasy world again. Its always about romantacizing the past and mysticizing whatever training agenda he happens to be on about with that guy.

Fuk, man! Boar don’t have the vocabulary to write this stuff!!!…..he just pisses you off------------------ but I’ll get back to that………

I'd much rather have someone who spends his time whacking coconuts trying to hit me than say, a professional boxer.

You’d better dodge them both--------- But on a serious note, you didn’t think this one though did you? Do you mean the run of the mill professional boxer? Do you mean Ali? Forman? Tyson? Other Heavy weights? Fly weights, other weights? (on a side note, look at Ali’s feet leave the ground on a jab….maybe just a hint of Fa-jing??) Oh shit!!! Magic word!!! Magic word!!! Are you trying to say that one shot is more powerful than another? Are you trying to say boxers can hit more productively than Iron Palm people? Have you spared a pro boxer? Maybe. Have you spared an Iron Palm Dude?…..

Before I go any further, I think it only fair that I tell you I don’t do Iron Palm; I do Iron Claw (I love these dramatic kung fu names) and my G.I. Joe-kung fu grip is kicking @ss!!! Waahhaaaaaei!!!

But seriously, I’m about to start Iron Palm and half of that style is forms, the other half is “learning” how to hit and the use of jow. Hand conditioning is not a factor (not in the sense that you make your hands tougher) and breaking coconuts is just for show. Being that forms work so well for me….hang on, let me rephrase that…being that the forms I do fold me over and consistently fuk me a new hole every morning, afternoon and evening workout, I’m willing to bet that the strike training will be, at the very least, in the same ball park. Being that boxing has been brought up lets piss off a few boxers, shall we? Boxing is just a sport and sports are here to teach us lessons about life…Iron Palm was created to keep your @ss alive. The forms (if done right) take one to a place that a sport could never go. I think, but I could be wrong, that the forms were meant to trick the subconscious into thinking that your life is in danger. That means, if you do the form right, you get to go to “that place” in your head and train…it’s a total mind fuk…a sport could never take you there. Sorry boxing fans, Ali was, and for a long time from now, be the greatest boxer ever…fastest smoothest heavy weight we’ve ever seen….he transcended the sport to become greater than it….and as great as Ali was and is, he don’t hold a candle to what’s locked away in the dark crevasses of the mind…..


(an eerie voice laughs from the shadows as scary theme music chimes in)---------


That is why I say that if you stop at boxing, wrestling or MMA or any other sport then you are woefully short changing yourself. And the forms don’t stop “there”….I don’t know where they stop. I do know that if you do this stuff right, you better hold on to your @ss. I think it’s safe to say that this kind of training is pretty rare….sounding like legend and yore yet? Did people a long time ago have super powers? That all depends on which people and what you consider super.

“But don’t take my word on it!”
............................................Tant01

Soooo.....Hop on a form; hold on to your @ss and get ready for a fuk of a ride....

P.S. I’m tiered of typing and I don’t want to be as long winded as derrianatoin (or how ever the fuk he spells his name) but, if you want me to go into the validity of the three second crap and the striking of Iron Palm, I can…..

I’m in Colorado… I’m drunk…I’m having a fuk of a lot of fun….and I’ve lost track of WTF I was typing…..oh yeah…Boar’s an asshole. Let’s say together on the count of three….one ….two…three BOAR IS AN ASSHOLE!!!! jubaji, you know it and I know it and Boar parades around in a T-shirt that reads it (I’m an Asshole!)….But lets be realistic; he’s a third generation internal kung fu guy…dude…that’s gatta carry some weight…..



fuk this post was too long….

[BoarSpear]

Boar parades around in a T-shirt that reads it (I’m an Asshole!)

In 3 different languages, which is 4 more than I can read........damn don't seem my rythmatic is up to par neither