Kung Fu and MMA

[Ghost]

YouTube - An Wushu - Xing Yi Quan

LMAO, i really really hope thats not what tigerclaw is on about.

can you explain how?

I think with this discussion it will be interesting if you elaborate on the detail of how these things are done.

Ok, the larger man is a side mount of the woman and trying to grab her in the privates and the breast, she takes her hand and tiger claws his eyes pressing in and back with the claws, and the other hand can attack the groin, then reach behind his head with the hand that attacked the groin, and if he has hair she grabs the hair, then she locks his chin with one hand and the back of the head or hair with the other and twist his head, the hand that clawed the face pushes up and away from her, the other hand holding the hair or head she pulls down and towards her chest. She changes her ground position by shifting her hips to the side on the angle she is turning the head, and rolls over clawing twisting his head around and then she can kick and run. Or pull back on the head and strike from behind and then run.

These techniques can be done so fast that the attacker will be taken by surprise, and when his eyes groin and head are being attacked his whole direction changes and his attacking becomes defending.

Like I said before, imagine wrestling a tiger with claws and teeth.

[TTEscrima]

ok but is there no one at all on youtube that can do kung fu?
There are lots of martial artists on youtube.
Doesnt mean your instructor has to be, and takes nothing away from him that he isnt on there.

Or any video footage on the entire internet?
Can you find 1 video that demonstrates the kind of training and so on that you are on about?

YouTube - An Wushu - Xing Yi Quan

[Tant01]

Salty dogs...

I am often reffering to life and death struggles. And to do an eye gouge is not always going to kill. It can just hurt like crazy and get the attacker to change his position and let go. One good thing about kung fu as opposed to a MMA style fighting is that even a smaller weaker person can defend against a larger one. A woman can also defends against a murdering rapist very effectively, without having to worry about size and weight etc, or grappling with a larger murdering rapist.

"It's all fun and games until someone gets an eye poked out... then it's just FUN!"

LOL I've seen eyeballs hanging by the optic nerves. It doesn't bleed much but when you feel your eyeball hanging against your face you'll be in shock.

Shock can kill in minutes...

I have three daughters. I've taught them all a little bit about the reality of violence and how to avoid and escape harm. Scooping out eyeballs is the last resort. I want massive blood loss and immediate incapication if they ever face a serious threat. To that end I've also given them a knife...

Self defense is not murder. I have talked with police officers and they told me that anything that is needed to save your life is allowed. In a situation where a person was attacking me with a knife and he is a large man, I am not going to play games and try not to hurt him. If a man is a drunken large man and attacks a kung fu fighter, there are manny ways to stop the attacker without having to gouge his eyes or use other excessive moves. But if for some reason the attacker is overcoming the Kung Fu man and he is threatening to seriously hurt him, the situation changes. If the kung fu person was a smaller woman and the attacker has no weapon and yet manages to overcome her on the ground (lets say he is some MMA fighter or has studied it) and wants to rape her, she is justified in using clawing and gouging techniques as I understand. And Kung Fu offers her an option in such a situation.

I know to some it may seem that kung fu is deadly and should not be used. But that is why it is for self defense. Also a kick to the groin does not have to kill, or a throat grab or eye gouge. These need not be deadly moves if done right. Even a finger break or arm break is not deadly. The only time I would feel a deadly technique is needed is in a very serious situation where there was no other option. I could imagine many of these.


Think of it this way. A police officer has strict rules about engagement with his firearm. But that does not mean he can never use it. Or even his stick or pepper spray etc, he has to have the right situation to use these. It is always, Hurt rather than mame, and mame rather than kill.

[Ghost]

I am often reffering to life and death struggles. And to do an eye gouge is not always going to kill. It can just hurt like crazy and get the attacker to change his position and let go. One good thing about kung fu as opposed to a MMA style fighting is that even a smaller weaker person can defend against a larger one. A woman can also defends against a murdering rapist very effectively, without having to worry about size and weight etc, or grappling with a larger murdering rapist.

can you explain how?

I think with this discussion it will be interesting if you elaborate on the detail of how these things are done.

When the cops get involved you're screwed anyway. Self defense is a LEGAL term to justify using force...

I am often reffering to life and death struggles. And to do an eye gouge is not always going to kill. It can just hurt like crazy and get the attacker to change his position and let go. One good thing about kung fu as opposed to a MMA style fighting is that even a smaller weaker person can defend against a larger one. A woman can also defends against a murdering rapist very effectively, without having to worry about size and weight etc, or grappling with a larger murdering rapist.

[Ghost]

I could, but the you tube is not the expository of kung fu knowledge. We do not see many martial artist on the You tube. One of my instructors that I had does not have anything on you tube as far as I know, and he could fight very well.

ok but is there no one at all on youtube that can do kung fu?
There are lots of martial artists on youtube.
Doesnt mean your instructor has to be, and takes nothing away from him that he isnt on there.

Or any video footage on the entire internet?
Can you find 1 video that demonstrates the kind of training and so on that you are on about?

[Tant01]

Unless you're the "defendant"

Judo throws can be fatal, ANY choke/strangle is considered use of deadly force, and can be treated as such. A punch can make someone fall down and hit their head and die. As such most anything can cause severe injury or death except perhaps a eyegouge or fish hook.

When you're attacked on the street, it's called self defense, and eye gouges nor fish hooks are attempts to kill, but kicks to the head, chokes, strangles, slams etc ARE (kicks are one of leading causes of death/injuries in unarmed fights). I read this as KF guys using eye gouges etc for self defense, and you are planning joint breaks, chokes, kicks etc for barfights and macho squabbles because that's the only way fighting is called Murder, otherwise its self defense (unless you're the aggressor).

When the cops get involved you're screwed anyway. Self defense is a LEGAL term to justify using force...

[TTEscrima]

These king fu people are funny, what with the fish hooks and eye gouging. Want to go to jail? Then try that shit on the street. It's called attempted murder.

Judo throws can be fatal, ANY choke/strangle is considered use of deadly force, and can be treated as such. A punch can make someone fall down and hit their head and die. As such most anything can cause severe injury or death except perhaps a eyegouge or fish hook.

When you're attacked on the street, it's called self defense, and eye gouges nor fish hooks are attempts to kill, but kicks to the head, chokes, strangles, slams etc ARE (kicks are one of leading causes of death/injuries in unarmed fights). I read this as KF guys using eye gouges etc for self defense, and you are planning joint breaks, chokes, kicks etc for barfights and macho squabbles because that's the only way fighting is called Murder, otherwise its self defense (unless you're the aggressor).

ok can you show us something similar, anything on the whole of youtube that is similar?

I could, but the you tube is not the expository of kung fu knowledge. We do not see many martial artist on the You tube. One of my instructors that I had does not have anything on you tube as far as I know, and he could fight very well.

[TTEscrima]

I think you are not aware of much of the arsenal in Kung Fu.

I'm curious about what type of conditioning and training you do for the Tiger Claw and Snake strikes.

[Ghost]

You overestimate their abilities way too much. I have fought hard and aggressive and had my nose broken and been smashed often enough. When we spared it was on a hard floor and we sparred aggressive. The only gear we had was a groin cup.

I think you are not aware of much of the arsenal in Kung Fu.

ok can you show us something similar, anything on the whole of youtube that is similar?

I am not acting, by the way.

Tell me, someone who spends his time getting hit hard in the face, and hitting someone else hard in the face, is less effective then someone who spends time eye-gouging air?

Can you just be realistic for a second, please?

MMA fighters are big apes. Apes whose face is one big callous. Try some punch against them, expecting them to go down easy like you are taught in class, and get a huge reality check.

These MMA guys get hit over and over, and shake it off like it was nothing.

One punch from one of those guys to my TKD/Aikido loving face and I would probably be in the hospital, and I am thinking so would you, TC.

You overestimate their abilities way too much. I have fought hard and aggressive and had my nose broken and been smashed often enough. When we spared it was on a hard floor and we sparred aggressive. The only gear we had was a groin cup.

I think you are not aware of much of the arsenal in Kung Fu.

, but don't try and pass it off as RBSD. Posing like an animal with some big, wide Wushu stance will get your ass knocked down quick.

Obviously another man that has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He actually thinks that taking a stance in forms has no use. Or fighting like an animal style fighting is no good. Well, everyone has a right to believe what they want.

By the way I NEVER said WuShu stance. I am nit talking about the moderns WuShu dance like acrobatics. I am speaking of traditional Kung Fu.