Lets divide the real CMA from the Fakes

[TigerClaw]

I asked you directly for the meaning of the 3 bows in CLF and not the normally associated answer for bowing to the founder's 3 teachers. The "real" answer. You never answered...

First of all, I was answering Ben Grimm, not you. and I did answer the question about the three bows from what I knew. You just wanted to boast about your so knowledge in the style.

I see, that among all the questions I asked, I was asked that one, so I am sorry for responding too quickly. I did not lie, it was a honest mistake, and if you knew me from the past you would know that if i make a mistake i admit it right away. Unlike some others there.

Digging a hole is not answering a direct question when asked by someone who is your senior both in age & experience & then getting booted. Or not answering questions from practitioners of a style you claim to teach but then can't discuss a basic technique

First of all it is you that are digging the hole, just keep doing it and you will be exposed.

Secondly, I do not respect you at all, for the way you attack other teachers. This shows me that you really have not learned that much as you think you have. Also you assume that you have more experience. Just because a person has a few more years at a place than another does not mean that they have more true experience. Skill and experience are not just measured in the amount of time you train at one place.

Also I do not want to answer you wen you mock me and attack me. if a irritating little man steps in front of my face and begins demanding of me answers to all his attacking questions, do you think I should answer such an irritant? I still may answer you in the future, but as I said, just keep going on a bit more and attacking me future so I can collect your attacks before I expose you. I also do not want to talk about certain things in this forum, for other some other reasons that you might not be aware of.

Part of your great downfall, is that yiou take things I said and assume more than I said. I am very careful with what I say and don't say.

You claim to be a teacher of CMA. We've all seen your "snake" video & your pictures. We've all heard your spewing on DL, Budoseek, now here & I'm sure somewhere else. You were even labeled a TROLL on a Moh Kempo board. That's harsh. Think about it...

Yes I am a teacher and have been for many years. I teach at two locations, and I have been a teacher way back and I have already given some of my background. and schools.

I ask you questions also and you do not answer and show me things I ask?
You find some crafty way out of them.

[TigerClaw]

Who said I don't teach? From what I've seen of your teaching, many of your students would get hurt in a street fight or any real self defence situation. The photos you showed were not very clear and the angles were very bad. You used your son who can't grapple to show how you would defend against a grappler. Doesn't sound like something a confident teacher would do.

Wrong the angles were clear and good and most people on the streets are not expert MMA fighters. But these techniques would work great against even trained grapplers.

My students would not get hurt on street fights. In fact some of my students have had others attack them and they have escaped. One of my students even had a grappler attack him and he used the snake style and escaped easily. The grappler then said to him, oh, you do know something.

So what lies are you spewing out now?

I teach things that will work for anyone even smaller weaker women in a street situation. What is better to teach them for real survival,

1. To just give up and realize that you have no escape against a MMA fighter who grapples you to the ground

2. Or attack the vital points, eyes groin throat nerve endings joints etc etc etc. and seek to escape as fast as possible.

Well, I teach #2, if you don't teach that to a new sudent them what can you teach them. Is a smaller woman going to have to learn years of grappling before she can even have a chance against a larger grappler? if this was the case why don't we see small petit women fighting against large grapplers in the ring?

You make me sick with your understanding of martial arts. So poor, and you admit that you only have a few years. Learn more before you come and attack a Kung Fu teacher.

By the way what I said is backed up by some of the experts that I quoted in other post. So you really fight against the experts.

Here is what I posted, (remember I had been teaching clawing attacks to the face eyes groin etc and that we should seek to get out of a ground position fast, etc)

I read just today in the Black Belt Magazine newest addition, some interesting things, consider this, (it is just what I have been saying)

"If your on the ground, you need to immediately strike hard. The head is the main target. Take out the eyes, the breathing apparatus, the throat, the nerve groups" (pg 89 Black Belt magazine Januray 2009 edition, by a master named, John Pelegrini, who was introduced into the Black belt hall of fame in 2004 as instructor of the year. His fighting system is one of the systems that the US military is interested in)(I selected the bold type)

He also said,

"...I am appauled that some units learn Brazillian jujitsu and are encouraged to fight on the ground...But the idea is to immediately dislodge the person and recover the dominant standing position. It's not about grappling and rolling on the ground." (pg 91 Black Belt Magazine)

Another man in the same magazine unde a different article said,

"MMA competition is first and foremost a dueling environment. Self defese is an entirely different animal, and the legal system requires requires you distinguish between the two. "
(Wim Demeere is a reality based self defense instructor.)

And one more expert says,

"Techniques that would be considered dirty fighting in most martial arts_attacks on the eyes and airways-are staples of reality based self defense." (Henry Kou page, 118, Black belt magazine, he is a level four instructor in Commando Krav maga)

So from these experts in reality combat survival fighting we can see that they agree with me. So those who simply mock what I say are also fighting against the experts and those who train the military etc. Those who say I speak BS are atually totally wrong and embarrassing themselves in hereand exposing their lack of understanding and fighting against these experts and more. But they are also putting others in danger by not instructing them for real combat survival in the streets.

Ben Gimm, your case is looking very GRIMMMMMMMM.

go away and bother someone else.

[Da Pope]

where can i come and learn from you?

ie where do you teach and at what times?

[clfsean]

First of all, I was answering Ben Grimm, not you. and I did answer the question about the three bows from what I knew. You just wanted to boast about your so knowledge in the style.

I wasn't boasting about my knowledge in the style. I was asking you since you claim to teach it, something you should know. You're not going to find the answers learning from videos or mystery teachers nobody's ever heard of or from books. You have to learn it the old fashion way by earning it

I see, that among all the questions I asked, I was asked that one, so I am sorry for responding too quickly. I did not lie, it was a honest mistake, and if you knew me from the past you would know that if i make a mistake i admit it right away. Unlike some others there.

But yet you kept on running off at the mouth without engaging the brain. A man who doesn't know will listen to those that do. You seem to think that applies to everybody else but you...

First of all it is you that are digging the hole, just keep doing it and you will be exposed.

I keep hearing that over & over...

Secondly, I do not respect you at all, for the way you attack other teachers. This shows me that you really have not learned that much as you think you have. Also you assume that you have more experience. Just because a person has a few more years at a place than another does not mean that they have more true experience. Skill and experience are not just measured in the amount of time you train at one place.

Honeybunny... I'm not after your respect. You've got nothing to offer me in that arena. You have to earn respect. If in trying to show you offhandledly without feeding you the information that you're incorrect, wrong, misguided, etc... in many things doesn't warrant your respect for me, fine. I'll keep treating you like you've earned...

Also I do not want to answer you wen you mock me and attack me. if a irritating little man steps in front of my face and begins demanding of me answers to all his attacking questions, do you think I should answer such an irritant? I still may answer you in the future, but as I said, just keep going on a bit more and attacking me future so I can collect your attacks before I expose you. I also do not want to talk about certain things in this forum, for other some other reasons that you might not be aware of.

Attacking you? Not likely... trying to point out flaws to you in your rationale & arguments along with spotty & shady history that everybody else around has seen... sure. Mocking you... nah... a little frustrated with the amount of effort poured in to watch it run down the drain, yeah.

Part of your great downfall, is that yiou take things I said and assume more than I said. I am very careful with what I say and don't say.

I take the things you say at what you say. There's no being clever or trying for innuendo if you're having a basic problem with spelling & grammar which you exhibit with each post. I have no choice to but to run with what's given.

Yes I am a teacher and have been for many years. I teach at two locations, and I have been a teacher way back and I have already given some of my background. and schools.

Again... see mine & other's statements regarding that.

I ask you questions also and you do not answer and show me things I ask?
You find some crafty way out of them.

Let me put it this way... you claim to teach CLF, yet demonstrate almost 0 actual knowledge of it. You cut & paste from another CLF website as a response to my request to show a basic combo from that set. You get called on it & ignore it totally. You say you practice/teach the "mother set" of CLF, yet you don't know anything about it. You can't perform a basic technique, why should I provide any other info about CLF to you? It's not a matter of asking & not answering, it's a matter of basics. If you don't have the basics of it, why should I provide them to you for you to try to pass on?

If you'd like to schedule a training seminar on CLF basics, I'd be glad to work with on it. Tell me when you'd like to have it, I'll get back to with a figure (US $) for the training time, you provide pre-purchased airfare, lodging in a hotel near the training facility & all meals of my choosing. If not, drop it.

[sunwukung]

You know when I said you talk like yoda, and then you said you don't? Well, what is this:

"The thorns protect the rose, but only from those who would steal its petals.

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.

In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins, not through strength but by perseverance"

Can you see that these quotes - while perfectly acceptable little pieces of wisdom, could be construed as patronising when addressed to a forum full of weathered kung fu practitioners? This is what I mean when I say you speak like you have a mouth full of fortune cookies.

There are people on the DList that have been in the military, have trained in competition, have worked security, bars etc. etc - and you have the gall to start whipping these little gems out?

Here's another for your collection:

"It ain't what you say it's the way that you say it"

[jubaji]

LOL @ Tigerclaw/Kungfuman! Too funny!

[TigerClaw]

where can i come and learn from you?

ie where do you teach and at what times?

I would not teach such a man as you, you are unworthy of Kung Fu at your present state.

[TigerClaw]

I am struck by how much this tiger claw actually sounds like Matbla....if you took all the typos out...it's him!!

No I am not this man, I have no idea what you are talking about, besides more lies and false representation.

[jubaji]

Yes I am a teacher and have been for many years. I teach at two locations, and I have been a teacher way back and I have already given some of my background. and schools.

Well, let's hear the rest of the story then.

[TigerClaw]

You know when I said you talk like yoda, and then you said you don't? Well, what is this:

"The thorns protect the rose, but only from those who would steal its petals.

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.

In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins, not through strength but by perseverance"

Can you see that these quotes - while perfectly acceptable little pieces of wisdom, could be construed as patronising when addressed to a forum full of weathered kung fu practitioners? This is what I mean when I say you speak like you have a mouth full of fortune cookies.

There are people on the DList that have been in the military, have trained in competition, have worked security, bars etc. etc - and you have the gall to start whipping these little gems out?
"

The petals quote is only against those who try to steal truth form me by lying about me. As far as lighting other candles we can all do that. So what are you talking about there.

and as far as the last saying, this is a good example of how the softness of Kung Fu and the flowing deflecting of energy can overcome the hardness of others fighting styles, and it can also mean that by walking in love and truth a man will win over the others who have hard hearts and who are full of lies. Again this only applies to those who are the hard ones. I also see it as encouraging perseverance in the long run to achieve a goal, even though obsticles come in the way. this is what I pursue and patiently.

I hope you are not implying that all the DL men are Hard. I am not implying that. But I imply it towards you.

Do you agree that to give pearls to a swine is not going to help it, it has no use for them. The swine will just turn again and attack you.

[sunwukung]

sigh - you missed the point, I don't need you to explain the meaning of those aphorisms, I'm just pointing out that you said elsewhere that you do not speak like Yoda - when you do.
Yoda, the monk in Kung Fu TV series and Mr.Miyagi are characterised by their use of aphorisms - so much so that it has become a bit of a comical stereotype.
Yet here you are with a collection of sayings in your signature. So, contrary to your assertion that you do not speak like Yoda (or those other characters), you clearly do, and appear to believe you are in a position to dispense wisdom. Despite having several threads closed, being banned from multiple forums, etc. etc. You don't sound wise to me.

Do you agree that to give pearls to a swine is not going to help it, it has no use for them. The swine will just turn again and attack you.

Most swine will just sniff the useless baubles you've thrown in front of them, then get on with their life.

[TigerClaw]

sigh - you missed the point, I don't need you to explain the meaning of those aphorisms, I'm just pointing out that you said elsewhere that you do not speak like Yoda - when you do.
Yoda, the monk in Kung Fu TV series and Mr.Miyagi are characterised by their use of aphorisms - so much so that it has become a bit of a comical stereotype.
Yet here you are with a collection of sayings in your signature. So, contrary to your assertion that you do not speak like Yoda (or those other characters), you clearly do, and appear to believe you are in a position to dispense wisdom. Despite having several threads closed, being banned from multiple forums, etc. etc. You don't sound wise to me.

Most swine will just sniff the useless baubles you've thrown in front of them, then get on with their life.

If I don't sound wise to you, that is because you cannot hear wisdom. Your argument attacks many wise men in history who were rejected by many and even killed for speaking what they did. If a man takes your so called wisdom here they would consider men some great men to be unwise.

If I stop speaking wisdom, that would be unwise. TigerClaw/2008

Yoda, speaks a backwards type of talk. I do not. Yoda is a wizard, I am not.

The truth that I speak is a part of me. To tell me not to speak truth and wise sayings is like telling me not to exist, ,and that is almost what you are doing.

"If men hide in the dark and another turns on the light, they will often scurry back into the shadows and throw stones at the light, so as not to be exposed"
TigerClaw/2008

[sunwukung]

<sigh>
very well, KFM.

[jubaji]

If I don't sound wise to you, that is because I am not. I am a mental case who has gotten hopelessly lost in LARPer land.
If I stop speaking nonsense, no one would recognize me. TigerClaw/2008

Yoda, speaks in a way that can mostly be understood. I do not. Yoda is a puppet, I am not nearly that human.

The bullshit that I speak is a part of me. To tell me not to speak bullshit and LARPerific nonsense is like telling me not to exist, ,and that is almost what you are doing. TigerClaw/2008

Yeah, that's you in a nutshell alright.

[TigerClaw]

To all,

here is evidence of the lies and deliberate falsifying of info about me, jubagi claimed to be quoting me and changed my words, he said this,

Originally Posted by TigerClaw
If I don't sound wise to you, that is because I am not. I am a mental case who has gotten hopelessly lost in LARPer land.
If I stop speaking nonsense, no one would recognize me. TigerClaw/2008

Yoda, speaks in a way that can mostly be understood. I do not. Yoda is a puppet, I am not nearly that human.

The bullshit that I speak is a part of me. To tell me not to speak bullshit and LARPerific nonsense is like telling me not to exist, ,and that is almost what you are doing. TigerClaw/2008"

Yeah, that's you in a nutshell alright."


But I never said that. He just thinks he can change what I wrote and then sway others against me, when in fact they are not attacking me even, but some made up lie.

This is the new low he has fallen to. It seems as if some people think, when all else fails and all other arguments are clearly rebuked, just make up stuff about TigerClaw and lie.

Let all read on and really see what has ben happening against me before they are swayed by the liars.