Lets divide the real CMA from the Fakes

Yes. Consistent in spewing garbage at least.

First of all, I wait for even one thing that I have said that is garbage and any techniques I have taught that don't work. You know that you cannot prove anything. You cannot prove your claims against my training or techniques or my teachers. So all your discussion is just your own speculation. I am telling you the truth and you speculate. Who is spewing garbage?

[Ben Grimm]

Yes. Consistent in spewing garbage at least.

Just the same recycled garbage over and over again.

At least I am consistant in what I say.

[Ben Grimm]

Just the same recycled garbage over and over again.

TigerClaw......If someone did not practice HG or CLF why would he know how many forms are in thier system or why would he know any of it's history. I don't know the answers to your crazy questions and I'm no fraud. Many people here know who my sifu is and know my lineage comes from Ng family style kung fu under Grandmaster Wing Loc Johnson Ng. Can you tell me how many forms are in the Ng family system? If you can't does that make you a fraud? Can you tell me what the Ng style is famous for? If not does that make you a fraud? Do you get what I'm saying? The inability to answer your questions does not mean someone is a fraud or not.

By the way can you tell me more about your style, I found this web site discussion is this related to you?

Is Ng Family Style real? - Page 3 - Kung Fu Magazine Forums

I guess my lack of interest in knowing random and irrelevant pieces of Hung Gar trivia has branded me a fraud. I'm truly devastated

Hey, I know that not all people are going to be able to answer all questions. But those who have had experience in Kung Fu should be able to answer a few. Actually if they study kung fu, they should be familiar with many of them.

I spoke from my own knowledge as well. So I did not put things in about other forms and styles too much. Hung Gar and Choy Li Fut are very poplular styles and more common.

Perhaps I could go back and make them even more simple.

How can you teach what you do not understand? How can you consider it ok to pass off half baked knowledge?

I understand it, I just don't speak chinese, and I have no desire to learn how to speak Chinese and know all the terms fully to be able to teach what i know. It is not half baked knowledge. My form movement is good and shows clearly the intent and strength of the forms.

There's no confusion if they're taught properly.

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It would create confusion, especially for those who know nothing of the language and for beginners who come in. I don't need to teach them Chinese to understand how to move and what they are doing in the forms. You should know this, as you profess to be in martial arts for so long (or as far as I know only CLF, but you may have some other experience).

I'm thinking no here. My responses to you have been succinct, direct & forthright. They are based on earned & learned knowledge and experience. Your story telling & ideas are manga like & dangerous from everything we've seen & heard from you.

I am not making up stories. I tell you true things, you argue, plain and simple. What i show about ground fighting is so very basic to combat, that I have to admit I wonder what you really know about martial arts. The many things I pointed out about survival combat and ground fighting etc, are very obvious and simple and the experts agree. The DANGER is when men try to say that what i showed won't work. I fear for the people who are just getting into martial arts and go by some of the peoples advice in here and yours also, if you do not agree with me about some very basic grappling escapes. Just because you may not have thought about the things I showed and discussed does not mean they aren't very effective and right in combat. By the way I have studied alot more than CLF and Hung Gar, Shaolin, etc

Well at least that's out in the open.

Its always been out there, you just misinterpreted me. I have never said I was the best CLF teacher, . Because that is not all I teach. But the reality of my CLF lineage is true and you just won't let it go. What you do now,attack my ability as a CLF teacher. Although you don't know how i show the techniques and teach the applications etc. Instead all you do is throw all the chinese terms at me. My Sifu does speak all these terms and he often says the chines name for the movement. But truthfully, that was not the most important thing to me. How the technique is done and applied is more important to me. Proper stances and waist movement and hand positioning etc etc etc. That is important. And at those things I excell.

Shows what little you know of the CLF family & how things are handled. Seniors are always treated with respect & honored as being a senior. You've openly insulted several.

Shows how little you understand what I was getting at. i was speaking hypothetically. I was showing you what your argument looks like from another perspective. I was not saying that any high master speaks like this.

I have not insulted my master or his teachers. If I have insulted you, it is only a response to your attacks and wrong, shortsighted, unwise, assumptions and criticism. Respect is not given when people attack the way you do. You are not a senior to me. Except perhaps in age.

Wrong thinking?? Your position is it's ok to teach something you're not qualified to teach and those of us who call you on it are "wrong thinking"?

No, I am qualified to teach everything I have learned. It depends on your understanding of qualifications. I have been a teacher and senior in other clubs, and I have had my Sifus speak well of me and my ability. Like I said I have been teaching for a while and i am aware of what works and doesn't.

Unlikely... if anything I'd apologize to him for trying to correct one of his students since the student is certainly overstepping his boundaries with stories fit for a mou hap than reality.

What stories? And what boundries?

If I'm wrong, I'll admit.

Well you are wrong. I Do have Sifus that taught me traditional kung Fu and I do have a CLF Sifu.

However, when I see somebody with the incredible stories you generate & technique descriptions that are quite frankly as flakey as yours,

What stories. The stories about my life are true, the attacks i have had etc all are true. What stories are you refering to exactly? Just because you may not believe m does not make them false. I know what i have seen and done, it doesn't matter if you say they are incredible. I haven't even told you some of the more fantastic stories.

...the infamous "Snakey Hand" video along with pictures that don't show anything other than posed positions,

What are you talking about? I posted the applications in a couple of slow videos, where I slowed the speed down to about 30 percent of actual speed.

When you make statements about not learning "the language" to not confuse your students but throw out lyrics in Mandarin (which not all of us speak in Southern CMA & goes against the core of Southern CMA)

I do not have to learn the language of the many traditional forms I have know. But I find it interesting to know some of the names of movements in the Hung Forms, for other reasons. I am always learning for personal reasons. but this has nothing to do with how i teach Hung Gar forms. A person can know the name of a form like Two tigers hide their trails", but if he doesn't know what it is doing and how to move right in that position, then the meanings are useless. the meaning is not what makes the technique known. I posted the names for you and others for different reasons than you imply.

..I won't stop until you retract what you've claimed without any verifiable proof or provide the proof.

I have given proof. For me to retract things and say that I have no master who taught Hung Gar, Northern Shaolin , White Crane, would be a lie. For me to say I have no CLF master who's father was taught by the same Sifus as Doc Fai Wong, would be a lie. For me to deny that I am a Kung Fu teacher and that I have not been teaching for many years, would be a lie. For me to deny that I learned from many other teachers would be a lie. For me to say that I have not understood ground fighting and how to escape quickly would be a lie. For me to say that any story I have told from my life experience is not true, would be a lie. How can I go against the very things that I am and that I know to be true? What kind of ridiculous demand are you trying to put on me?

I have given other proof, but it is not enough for you. And I told you I will not give the name of my Sifu in CLF, so you may as well give up on that one. And I really don't care if you don't believe anything I say. That is your error not mine. I try to share some things with you, just for the interest of discussion and to expose your error to all here, but other things I have no interest in doing. And I am not a puppet to be pulled about to do this and that and then answer this and that etc.

[jubaji]

Hey, I don't speak the language

English? Yeah, it seems you don't.

[JadeDragon]

TigerClaw......If someone did not practice HG or CLF why would he know how many forms are in thier system or why would he know any of it's history. I don't know the answers to your crazy questions and I'm no fraud. Many people here know who my sifu is and know my lineage comes from Ng family style kung fu under Grandmaster Wing Loc Johnson Ng. Can you tell me how many forms are in the Ng family system? If you can't does that make you a fraud? Can you tell me what the Ng style is famous for? If not does that make you a fraud? Do you get what I'm saying? The inability to answer your questions does not mean someone is a fraud or not.

[BajiBoxer]

I guess my lack of interest in knowing random and irrelevant pieces of Hung Gar trivia has branded me a fraud. I'm truly devastated

[clfsean]

Again, I already told you about names in here. With all the strange people in these forums I won't give out the names. And yes, people would contact him and bother him, no matter how much you think they wouldn't. And I am not talking about CLF people only.

Oh well... as long as you frequent forums such as these, give the obtuse & frankly unbelievable answers to questions and individual postings you do, you'll always be considered a troll & worse due to your lack of forthrightness.

I can teach what I know, simple enough with forms and applications.

Ho-kay... it's wrong, incorrect, adverse to their health from what we've seen, etc... however you want to look at it. How can you teach what you do not understand? How can you consider it ok to pass off half baked knowledge?

I do not have to confuse my student with all the chinese terms for every move which they don't understand either.

There's no confusion if they're taught properly.

Your reasoning here is very weak and your ability to convey simple truth here is weak.

I'm thinking no here. My responses to you have been succinct, direct & forthright. They are based on earned & learned knowledge and experience. Your story telling & ideas are manga like & dangerous from everything we've seen & heard from you.

I know what I know, and my students know that I do not have full extensive knowledge in CLF.

Well at least that's out in the open.

I suppose the highest ranking master in CLF could always look down on lower level teachers and say you don't know as much as me so how can you teach it.

Shows what little you know of the CLF family & how things are handled. Seniors are always treated with respect & honored as being a senior. You've openly insulted several.

that would be a wrong thinking.

Wrong thinking?? Your position is it's ok to teach something you're not qualified to teach and those of us who call you on it are "wrong thinking"?

Because then no one could ever teach anything unless they are the highest teacher and with the highest ability. Don't you see how your reasoning ability is very weak.

Ummm... see above & nope.

By the way the jings or gings are not as basic knowledge as you think, some teachers do not even touch on this and it is not as common knowledge as you are trying to make it out.

Yes they are. If you haven't learned or been exposed to them, why not look in the mirror and wonder why?

Either my Choy Li Fut Master is a true teacher and I know CLF. So will you now apologize for your wrong criticism of me?

Unlikely... if anything I'd apologize to him for trying to correct one of his students since the student is certainly overstepping his boundaries with stories fit for a mou hap than reality.

Although the kind of person you seem to be, I doubt if you will admit to anything wrong and will most likely just continue arguing and attacking.

If I'm wrong, I'll admit. However, when I see somebody with the incredible stories you generate & technique descriptions that are quite frankly as flakey as yours, along with the constant evasion of questions about techniques you should know combined with everything else about you that you've presented, I'm going digging for the hard answers. When you are as uncooperative about showing a basic combo to shut me up, but instead will put up the infamous "Snakey Hand" video along with pictures that don't show anything other than posed positions, yes my BS meter goes off. When you are caught copying & pasting from a noted CLF master's website in an attempt to pass yourself as a CLF practitioner & then you ignore the obvious & expected questions about it, my BS meter goes through the roof. When you try to turn the tables on me about showing you this, this & this on video when you're the one with the wild claims, the onus of proof is on you & yet still scream like a cooking lobster... oh yes, I'm resetting the BS meter. When you make statements about not learning "the language" to not confuse your students but throw out lyrics in Mandarin (which not all of us speak in Southern CMA & goes against the core of Southern CMA), once my eyes roll back down, I start over with basic, single hand techniques to the deafing roar of silence.

I haven't attacked anything. I've asked questions expecting the answers I've received. I won't stop until you retract what you've claimed without any verifiable proof or provide the proof. You have had every opportunity to be a beneficial member to several different boards yet continue with the same stuff. It makes one wonder about if you see everybody else in the whole of the MA world as incorrect, save you & honestly your delusional ramblings & content.

Seriously... the onus to stop all of this once & for all (at least as far as I'm concerned) is with you. Man up or punk out... you're the only one in control of that.

Who? Who taught him? If your knowledge of CLF isn't extensive, how can you teach it competently? How can you accurately describe the techniques since you admit you a) "cannot remember most of the names." and b) "To me the actual chinese names of the moves is not important." See your statement above if you think I'm twisting it.

Again, I already told you about names in here. With all the strange people in these forums I won't give out the names. And yes, people would contact him and bother him, no matter how much you think they wouldn't. And I am not talking about CLF people only.

I can teach what I know, simple enough with forms and applications. I do not have to confuse my student with all the chinese terms for every move which they don't understand either. Your reasoning here is very weak and your ability to convey simple truth here is weak. I know what I know, and my students know that I do not have full extensive knowledge in CLF. I suppose the highest ranking master in CLF could always look down on lower level teachers and say you don't know as much as me so how can you teach it. that would be a wrong thinking. Because then no one could ever teach anything unless they are the highest teacher and with the highest ability. Don't you see how your reasoning ability is very weak.

Not quite. You say you learn from a Chan family practitioner, you say this... you say that... basic questions stump you though. Kinda like basic techniques...

By the way the jings or gings are not as basic knowledge as you think, some teachers do not even touch on this and it is not as common knowledge as you are trying to make it out.

Either way my Choy Li Fut Master is a true teacher and I know CLF. So will you now apologize for your wrong criticism of me?

And by the way, I never came into a forum and said I was he best CLF teacher there is. But I am a teacher never the less and I have true masters who have taught me in different styles. So please apologize.

Although the kind of person you seem to be, I doubt if you will admit to anything wrong and will most likely just continue arguing and attacking.

I've seen more and done more than you probably will in your entire life.

Now who's living in fantasy realms.

[clfsean]

Hey, I don't speak the language, and my master always says the names of moves in chinese, but I cannot remember most of the names. To me the actual chinese names of the moves is not important.

Hey, you're the one that started this whole mess by wanting to know the lyrics for some Hung Ga set but yet you don't care for the language they were developed in. How can you understand the technique properly without understanding the name of it?

And my master was taught by his father and his father was taught by the same master who taught Doc Fai Wong. His father is fourth generation. At least that is the information he has told me. And as I said, I do not have exstensive knowledge of CLF as I would like.

Who? Who taught him? If your knowledge of CLF isn't extensive, how can you teach it competently? How can you accurately describe the techniques since you admit you a) "cannot remember most of the names." and b) "To me the actual chinese names of the moves is not important." See your statement above if you think I'm twisting it.

And yes, there are some that would bother my Sifu. My Sifu speaks english, but it is his second language, he is a very nice man and I don't want to give out names.

As I said, we (CLF family) know almost anybody who's anybody. We wouldn't need to contact him about anything.

So again, I am not going to give out certain info. But I can only say that I have learned traditional CLF from my Sifu and traditional Hung Gar from another Sifu and and many other forms and styles. And By the way my CLF Sifu also knows some Hung gar also. And I have had other instructors as well. And yes, I did learn many things from Brian Lesihman. And no he is no fraud. His fighting ability is so advanced now that he has developed his own style. Not to many men develop their own style and system of Kung Fu after their many years or so of learning. And no, I have not told you many other things.

And this means what? Besides CLF, I know some PM (different branches), some Shaolin Louhan Quan, some BSL, some... of this, of that... What does that mean?

As far as the Gings, or Jings, I am not sure about the language again, As far as I understand these are ways of generating power and controling and being sensitive to your opponent. I see these somewhat similar to the 12 bridges of hung gar.

Not quite. You say you learn from a Chan family practitioner, you say this... you say that... basic questions stump you though. Kinda like basic techniques...

When my Sifu taught me to generate power he saw that I had a Hung Gar type of movement and he tried to get me to be more soft and flexible, but still have power. In one move where I step and twist around with both arms, one arm following, my power was foreward and forceful, but he told me to swing the arms more in a soft and powerful way, and when I met the force of the attack my elbow would bend around d the force of the block and still hit the attacker. The move is like putting a cup on the shelf.

What does that have to do with anything?

As far as Gings, or jings, I don't know the proper language that much, this is what I know of

Winding or Sticky
Circling and rotating
Hardness

Kinda, but nope. Where'd you copy/paste that from?

[jubaji]

If we're being generous about it

All that I said about the past is how I remember it.

Yeah, that's where the 'mentally ill' part comes in.