Lets divide the real CMA from the Fakes

[Ben Grimm]

First you rip a form from Lee Koon Hung's website and now you are saying your CLF is like Doc Fai Wong..... You self deluded piece of shit.

[TigerClaw]

First you rip a form from Lee Koon Hung's website and now you are saying your CLF is like Doc Fai Wong..... You self deluded piece of shit.

No, if I spelled things wrong that is my fault. But the form I refered to is traditional, the one I do is not a hybrid as far as i know, and it relates I believe to the fours sides, North South east West, and a cross. My sifu's father had the same Sifu as Doc Fai Wong. The lineage is solid and My Sifus father was fourth generation.

I think it is a bout time for you to take that picture of your facial expression and post it in here. I am not deluded. I just don't want to tell you everything about me or my Sifu.

[Ben Grimm]

Empty words and no proof. I'm not impressed and my facial expression hasn't changed at all.

[clfsean]

I did give my lineage in part. I told you about some of the schools I went to and my experience in traditional Kung Fu.

yes... with partial names & names no one recognized except the Leishmann fellow & that's a whole other can of worms.

My Choy Li Fut background is something that I want to keep more to myself. I can say that the master of Choy Li Fut that I learned from his father taught him and he was fourth generation from the founder. I do not like to give out names in here. I don't want any of you guys bothering him. But the master I learn Choy Li Fut from is in a direct lineage of Choy Li Fut founder. Actually I believe the same lineage that Doc Fai Wong is in, his father was in as well.

Name a name. No one has to bother anybody. CLF is tight knit. We know who's who, who's important & why.

Doc Fai Wong's lineage is unique & pretty much singular in CLF. I can pretty much guarantee nobody else out there right now has DFW's lineage except him.

If you've learned or are learning from a Chan family line, would you mind defining the gings of CLF? It shouldn't be that hard. Or an easier one... since you're big on lyrics... what are the first four lines of Sup Baat Law Horn Hei Gong (Shi Ba Lou Han Qi Gong since you apparently don't know proper Cantonese)?

[TigerClaw]

yes... with partial names & names no one recognized except the Leishmann fellow & that's a whole other can of worms.



Name a name. No one has to bother anybody. CLF is tight knit. We know who's who, who's important & why.

Doc Fai Wong's lineage is unique & pretty much singular in CLF. I can pretty much guarantee nobody else out there right now has DFW's lineage except him.

If you've learned or are learning from a Chan family line, would you mind defining the gings of CLF? It shouldn't be that hard. Or an easier one... since you're big on lyrics... what are the first four lines of Sup Baat Law Horn Hei Gong (Shi Ba Lou Han Qi Gong since you apparently don't know proper Cantonese)?

Hey, I don't speak the language, and my master always says the names of moves in chinese, but I cannot remember most of the names. To me the actual chinese names of the moves is not important.

And my master was taught by his father and his father was taught by the same master who taught Doc Fai Wong. His father is fourth generation. At least that is the information he has told me. And as I said, I do not have exstensive knowledge of CLF as I would like.

And yes, there are some that would bother my Sifu. My Sifu speaks english, but it is his second language, he is a very nice man and I don't want to give out names.

So again, I am not going to give out certain info. But I can only say that I have learned traditional CLF from my Sifu and traditional Hung Gar from another Sifu and and many other forms and styles. And By the way my CLF Sifu also knows some Hung gar also. And I have had other instructors as well. And yes, I did learn many things from Brian Lesihman. And no he is no fraud. His fighting ability is so advanced now that he has developed his own style. Not to many men develop their own style and system of Kung Fu after their many years or so of learning. And no, I have not told you many other things.

As far as the Gings, or Jings, I am not sure about the language again, As far as I understand these are ways of generating power and controling and being sensitive to your opponent. I see these somewhat similar to the 12 bridges of hung gar.

When my Sifu taught me to generate power he saw that I had a Hung Gar type of movement and he tried to get me to be more soft and flexible, but still have power. In one move where I step and twist around with both arms, one arm following, my power was foreward and forceful, but he told me to swing the arms more in a soft and powerful way, and when I met the force of the attack my elbow would bend around d the force of the block and still hit the attacker. The move is like putting a cup on the shelf.

As far as Gings, or jings, I don't know the proper language that much, this is what I know of

Winding or Sticky
Circling and rotating
Hardness

[TigerClaw]

Empty words and no proof. I'm not impressed and my facial expression hasn't changed at all.

Hey, I am not going to post some forms on Internet just for you. if you had not been so mean spirited things might have been different. But I am not going to post more video of these things.

[jubaji]

Trollin' trollin' trollin' keep that BS rollin'...

[JadeDragon]

I don't know the names of the gangs? There have been a few of them. Sometime the guys had mask on as well and were throwing fire bombs, or bottles that exploded in fire when they hit. Some times there were so many of them on the subway that I could hardly tell who was who. Jumping off bars kicking and punching everywhere. Other times it is a whole bunch of guys downtown and again, who knows who's who. I don't follow gangs or names of gangs.

Anyway I see that your answer is just a mock.

I wonder what happened to you, you use use to have good discussions then you turned. I think some people just go with the majority. It is easier than standing out and risking being mocked. I however, don't follow the crowd. If I believe something and it is true I stand by it even if I am hated by the majority. I follow my master in this and not my Kung Fu masters..

If you don't know these people how do you know they were gang affiliated??? They might have just all been friends hanging out together. Throwing firebombs??? Come on, do you expect us to believe this fairytail? What you have said is almost comical. You could hardly tell who was who???... LMAO. Again you do not give the names of these gangs that you supposedely broke fight up with and you don't give names of masters you studied under. Can't you see this makes you look like a troll and a lier.

[TigerClaw]

If you don't know these people how do you know they were gang affiliated??? They might have just all been friends hanging out together. Throwing firebombs??? Come on, do you expect us to believe this fairytail? What you have said is almost comical. You could hardly tell who was who???... LMAO. Again you do not give the names of these gangs that you supposedely broke fight up with and you don't give names of masters you studied under. Can't you see this makes you look like a troll and a lier.

To me, a gang is a bunch of punks standing around with their other friends wearing mask on their faces and holding bottles with cloth in the top and seeking to make trouble and picking fights, or a bunch of puncks jumping on seats swinging from bars in a frenzy fighting eachother and causing other passengers to scream and creating absolute confusion, or two groups gathered around another two leaders fighting in the center of the square etc etc. I don't care what the name of the gangs were or if they even had names. And all that I am telling you is true. And as a matter of fact, some of the things that I have been through are kind of like a comic book, only real. Throwing firebombs was just the beginning, This was around the time when that black guy was attacked by white guys and it was all over the tv. After the firebomb went off the mounted police took their horses and blocked off the street from one side to the other and the mob was up the street at this time, they went right up the street from side to side on horseback and did a sweep of the entire street pushing the mob back after alot of noise and screaming and riotous activity.

These things are true, they must be in some paper or articles if you were to search. But I have been in many unusual situations in my life. Like I said, you have no idea and you have no understanding of my life experiences. Just because some may hide out in their sheltered lives and not be involved in some things, does not mean that others do the same. I have had many fantastic things happen in my life and I don't care if you think it sounds like a comic book to you. Like I said before, if I got into some things, you would find it hard to believe, but they are true.

As far as my background I gave out many things and I have already told much about my past and teachers etc, and I gave reasons for why I do not give out all info. especially in this acid, mean spirited, hateful shameful , atacking, environment.

[jubaji]

Ok, to be fair, maybe this tigerclaw/kungfuman is really mentally ill or something. We're getting down to fewer and fewer possibilities to explain his departures from reality.

[TigerClaw]

Ok, to be fair, maybe this tigerclaw/kungfuman is really mentally ill or something. We're getting down to fewer and fewer possibilities to explain his departures from reality.

Again, you have shown that you really have nothing to say.

All that I said about the past is how I remember it. There is much more, but you obviously live such a sheltered life that anything outside of your little computer world would seem like fantasy to you it seems.

[JadeDragon]

To me, a gang is a bunch of punks standing around with their other friends wearing mask on their faces and holding bottles with cloth in the top and seeking to make trouble and picking fights, or a bunch of puncks jumping on seats swinging from bars in a frenzy fighting eachother and causing other passengers to scream and creating absolute confusion, or two groups gathered around another two leaders fighting in the center of the square etc etc. I don't care what the name of the gangs were or if they even had names. And all that I am telling you is true. And as a matter of fact, some of the things that I have been through are kind of like a comic book, only real. Throwing firebombs was just the beginning, This was around the time when that black guy was attacked by white guys and it was all over the tv. After the firebomb went off the mounted police took their horses and blocked off the street from one side to the other and the mob was up the street at this time, they went right up the street from side to side on horseback and did a sweep of the entire street pushing the mob back after alot of noise and screaming and riotous activity.

These things are true, they must be in some paper or articles if you were to search. But I have been in many unusual situations in my life. Like I said, you have no idea and you have no understanding of my life experiences. Just because some may hide out in their sheltered lives and not be involved in some things, does not mean that others do the same. I have had many fantastic things happen in my life and I don't care if you think it sounds like a comic book to you. Like I said before, if I got into some things, you would find it hard to believe, but they are true.

As far as my background I gave out many things and I have already told much about my past and teachers etc, and I gave reasons for why I do not give out all info. especially in this acid, mean spirited, hateful shameful , atacking, environment.

First of all what you first described does not constitute a gang. People that hang out together is not a gang okay. Gangs rarely wear masks and have gasoline bombs. These are terrorists not gang members. So this does not make them a gang. Gangs want to be known for thier violence so that it will intimidate others in the future. Just hanging out in a group does not mean they are a gang. Most gangs you have to be "beat in" or do something to earn the right to be a member. So in the future make sure you know what your talking about. If its not a gang don't call it a gang.

And secondly I don't hide out and lead a sheltered life as you try to insinuate. I've been all over the world. I've been to Germany, Austria, Italy, France, Mexico, Virgin Islands, Caimin Islands, Jamaica, Bahamas and many other places. I would hardly say that this is a sheltered life that I have led. As the expression goes "been there, done that." I've seen more and done more than you probably will in your entire life.

[jubaji]

If we're being generous about it

All that I said about the past is how I remember it.

Yeah, that's where the 'mentally ill' part comes in.

[clfsean]

Hey, I don't speak the language, and my master always says the names of moves in chinese, but I cannot remember most of the names. To me the actual chinese names of the moves is not important.

Hey, you're the one that started this whole mess by wanting to know the lyrics for some Hung Ga set but yet you don't care for the language they were developed in. How can you understand the technique properly without understanding the name of it?

And my master was taught by his father and his father was taught by the same master who taught Doc Fai Wong. His father is fourth generation. At least that is the information he has told me. And as I said, I do not have exstensive knowledge of CLF as I would like.

Who? Who taught him? If your knowledge of CLF isn't extensive, how can you teach it competently? How can you accurately describe the techniques since you admit you a) "cannot remember most of the names." and b) "To me the actual chinese names of the moves is not important." See your statement above if you think I'm twisting it.

And yes, there are some that would bother my Sifu. My Sifu speaks english, but it is his second language, he is a very nice man and I don't want to give out names.

As I said, we (CLF family) know almost anybody who's anybody. We wouldn't need to contact him about anything.

So again, I am not going to give out certain info. But I can only say that I have learned traditional CLF from my Sifu and traditional Hung Gar from another Sifu and and many other forms and styles. And By the way my CLF Sifu also knows some Hung gar also. And I have had other instructors as well. And yes, I did learn many things from Brian Lesihman. And no he is no fraud. His fighting ability is so advanced now that he has developed his own style. Not to many men develop their own style and system of Kung Fu after their many years or so of learning. And no, I have not told you many other things.

And this means what? Besides CLF, I know some PM (different branches), some Shaolin Louhan Quan, some BSL, some... of this, of that... What does that mean?

As far as the Gings, or Jings, I am not sure about the language again, As far as I understand these are ways of generating power and controling and being sensitive to your opponent. I see these somewhat similar to the 12 bridges of hung gar.

Not quite. You say you learn from a Chan family practitioner, you say this... you say that... basic questions stump you though. Kinda like basic techniques...

When my Sifu taught me to generate power he saw that I had a Hung Gar type of movement and he tried to get me to be more soft and flexible, but still have power. In one move where I step and twist around with both arms, one arm following, my power was foreward and forceful, but he told me to swing the arms more in a soft and powerful way, and when I met the force of the attack my elbow would bend around d the force of the block and still hit the attacker. The move is like putting a cup on the shelf.

What does that have to do with anything?

As far as Gings, or jings, I don't know the proper language that much, this is what I know of

Winding or Sticky
Circling and rotating
Hardness

Kinda, but nope. Where'd you copy/paste that from?

[TigerClaw]

I've seen more and done more than you probably will in your entire life.

Now who's living in fantasy realms.