MMA sport fighting and Kung Fu combative.

[Sagacious Lu]

He never will. He's a grandmaster at avoiding questions.

Yeah, at first I thought he really believed the crap he posts, now I think it's just a troll job.

[Ben Grimm]

He never will. He's a grandmaster at avoiding questions.

[Sagacious Lu]

No, you should stop because you expose your absolute lack of knowledge in Kung Fu and traditional training methods. And the centuries of combat application and war combat that Kung Fu has.

Traditional eh? What does that mean to you? Do you know when Hung Gar became a style? How long ago was that? So you know the two styles that I have the most experience with are boxing and wrestling. When do you think the first wrestling match was? When do you think the first boxing match was? How long does a practice have to be around before you can call it traditional?

I answered your questions, it seems only fair for you to answer mine.

[ViolentByDesign]

Not one bit.

[Ben Grimm]

He doesn't like lamp.

I like lamp.

Violent by design, even your name is erronious. We are not designed to be violent, that was the bi-product of out choices.

And what do you mean when you say,
"I like lamp"

Actually the amount of time I spent training nearly doubled after I stopped wasting time on forms and the like and my level of conditioning soared.

Which shows that you really don't understand anything at all about Kung Fu.

No, I learned more by training under knowledgeable boxing coaches coupled with sparring against other trained fighters.

Perhaps you did not pick the right Kung Fu teacher.And By the way Kung Fu practitioners also spar against trained fighters. We used to spar on hard floors and hard contact.

I should probably stop here just because posting seriously in this topic gives the illusion that I think the thread starter is worth debating with.

No, you should stop because you expose your absolute lack of knowledge in Kung Fu and traditional training methods. And the centuries of combat application and war combat that Kung Fu has.

[ViolentByDesign]

I like lamp.

[jubaji]

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People are going to understand that when you stop communicating like "some wanna be kid who comes n here to just play and goes around making up things," and/or some mental case who can't stop with this little act.

This is not act I am very serious about many things I say.

[jubaji]

When are you going to understand that I know traditional Kung Fu and from real masters and I teach it for many years. I am not some wanna be kid who comes n here to just play and goes around making up things. .

People are going to understand that when you stop communicating like "some wanna be kid who comes n here to just play and goes around making up things," and/or some mental case who can't stop with this little act.

Hung Ga is a solid style, but not when you learn it from a book and then claim it as your own.

Master Lin taught at E-Chaun Mun, as I already told you he taught Hung Gar, Northern Shaolin, White Crane.

When are you going to understand that I know traditional Kung Fu and from real masters and I teach it for many years. I am not some wanna be kid who comes n here to just play and goes around making up things. .

[Ben Grimm]

I know what you are saying. I could say that Hung Ga WAS a soliid style until the start of the PRC as we know it. You know when traditional CMA became contemporary wushu.

[Sagacious Lu]

you just gave up and got tierd of training hard.

Actually the amount of time I spent training nearly doubled after I stopped wasting time on forms and the like and my level of conditioning soared.

So you are saying that you learned more on your own by just sparring others than the masters who deveolpod the style and the tradition that was passed down based on actual war and combat techniques in Hung Gar?

No, I learned more by training under knowledgeable boxing coaches coupled with sparring against other trained fighters.
FYI boxing can be traced back in history further than just about any style other than wrestling... which I also did competitively for years. Go ahead and do a google search, you'll find out how long ago the first recorded boxing matches occured as well as when the oldest punching bag we've discovered dates from. It's flat out silly to pretend that any brand of kung fu predates other styles, especially Tiger Crane which wasn't codified until after the fall of the Shaolin Temples... even if you could pin down exactly when that happened.

Hung Ga is a solid style, but not when you learn it from a book and then claim it as your own.

I have to disagree with you there Ben, Hung Ga (Gar, Chuan, whatever) suffers from ineffective training practices (like forms and choreographed combat applications) as well as additions from "masters" that never had to use their techniques to defend themselves. You can blame the Chinese political climate for that if you want but the end result is that there are better ways to learn how to fight. That's not to say there isn't anything useful to be found in kung fu, just that the way it's trained has lost a lot of relevance over the years.


I should probably stop here just because posting seriously in this topic gives the illusion that I think the thread starter is worth debating with.

[Ben Grimm]

Hung Ga is a solid style, but not when you learn it from a book and then claim it as your own.