MMA sport fighting and Kung Fu combative.

[TigerClaw]

Have you ever shot or stabbed someone, tigerclown?


"In clubs"

No, why have you? By clubs I mean Kung Fu clubs, or classes, if thats easier to understand.

[TigerClaw]

I agree 100% with Jubaji on this. Go train with a BJJ, Judo or Muay Thai person. Until you do, you have NO frame of reference, and you cannot possibly know what you are talking about beyond theory and conjecture.

Wrong again, Kung cu has been developed over ceturies against all kinds of attacks

[TigerClaw]

Someone who refuses to even look at another opinion, is learning nothing. I can't believe that you, a "teacher" have not examimed other theories or styles to any real extent other then watching them on TV.

Tiger Claw, we are all going to continue talking in circles with you and never make any progress, is that correct?

Wrong again, I consider many other styles, I also watch and study MMA and up close, I watch and talkto and share some techniques with the MMA guys who teach in the room right next to us. The MMA teacher has commented, after watching me demonstrate and practice Kung Fu, that he would not know how to defend against it. He seems like a more humble man than some. But I do study , question , examine, and learn from many styles. For example, I was watching am Aikedo instructor a while ago, we talked, exchanged ideas and techniques and he taught me some good things. This kind of thing happens at times.

So, what are you talking about?

[jubaji]

No, why have you?

No I haven't, so I'm not going to talk about how well I could do either one of those things. You don't get the point, do you Rain Man?

[TigerClaw]

"Watching" is all you seem to do. But since that is not what I asked, I am done with you. It's becoming more and more of a time waster. You have all the answers, it seems, and it is a waste of time discussing something with someone who talks in circles. Have fun with the rest of these threads. I am not going to join in any more, and I encourage others to also ignore you. Perhaps then you will go away.

Good riddens. Please go away and I would suggest that you never type another word against another Kung Fu teacher or any martial artist. Please, go away.

[Ben Grimm]

Can't do that. I believe you are a LARPer, not an authentic teacher. Stop LARPing and you might get some respect. And constant references to Black Belt Magazine won't help either. Seriously, BBM will print any article if the money is good enough. Seriously, George Dillman has been exposed many times but they still print his articles. You do know about Dillman, don't you?

[TigerClaw]

Can't do that. I believe you are a LARPer, not an authentic teacher. Stop LARPing and you might get some respect. And constant references to Black Belt Magazine won't help either. Seriously, BBM will print any article if the money is good enough. Seriously, George Dillman has been exposed many times but they still print his articles. You do know about Dillman, don't you?

If you don't believe I am an authentic teacher, who cares. I don't cae if you believe, the only reason I even respond to your lies, mockery, extremey rude language and childish behaviour is because I don't like liars and I hope that through exposure of their lies they will finally repent and change. But in your case, it is a die hard stubborness and character flaw, and I believe pride comes into it as well. Besides you have already said so many lies about me, and done it with a bold face and confident language, that for you to admit now that you were wrong would make you look very bad to all here. So instead of admitting your lies, humbling yourself and trying to be respect eachother and deal with eachother in a kinder way, you just continue and attack and lie and make up stuff and go on and on with your mean spirited stuff and lies. I hope that all can see what kind of man you really are, to me you are is just like Jubagi.

You believe your lies against all the evidence and names and picture and clarification I have given. But yet you wont give one ounce of proof of your training. I still wait for one picture of you with your classmates, or you doing any techniques, or a video of you fighting etc. If I were to use your weak logic, you would be the LARPER,(a ridiculous expression but as you have it mean, "a Live Action Role Player").

On top of all this, you just attack the experts that agree with me and rebuke you, that is a obvious attempt to escape your shame and error. And By the way, I did not point out only one expert who agrees with me and against you.

Your martial arts understanding, (I think you said you had a few years five or so in the martial arts), is very weak. You sound more like your LARPER than others. You take it upon yourself to attack Kung Fu teachers and others and follow them into forums like this and then lie about them, mock and attempt with all your effort to make what they say look wrong. But the thing is you are the one who really does not know that much about what your are talking about. Your few years in martial arts and your recent love of MMA type fighting do not make you an expert. Perhaps you have given up , or been disillusioned about your teacher and Wing Chun Kung Fu etc, and so have shifted towards a MMA type fighting. But that is your problem not others. Don't try to justify your direction by attacking what you think is wrong in other styles.

And I would ask that you never again make any lies about my training teacher history etc . And that you show some proof to all here that you are in fact a martial artist. One picture, or video of you in any martial arts setting. Before you start asking me for anything you should do this first. But I know the kind of person you are and you fear showing this kind of info. I did this, I showed video clips of myself and pictures and pictures of my instructors and club crest and give alot of informagtion, so its your turn now..
You said to me,

"Stop LARPing and you might get some respect."

I am not LARPing, I would say to you,

"Stop lying and attacking other martial arts teachers and you might get some respect"

You should stop" LAMATing" (Lying, About Martial Arts Teachers)

[Uke]

Can't do that. I believe you are a LARPer, not an authentic teacher. Stop LARPing and you might get some respect. And constant references to Black Belt Magazine won't help either. Seriously, BBM will print any article if the money is good enough. Seriously, George Dillman has been exposed many times but they still print his articles. You do know about Dillman, don't you?

George Dillman is a high ranking black belt and was a champion competitor and fighter. Don't get it confused. Its Dillman's pressure point knockouts that are suspect, not the entirety of what the man has done.

His achievements got him a reputation and attention. His desire to copy and imitate Master Oyata is what has most calling him a fraud, but ONLY on that point.

Do you know who Master Oyata is, Ben?

[TigerClaw]

Ben, this is what I posted, so can you show me where I posted about that man George Dillman, are you implying that I mentioned him? And many martial arts magazines post many different things. We always have to examine who it is that s saying the things we read.

"Here is some things I just read in "Black Belt Magazine" the new edition on the stands, they are very similar to what I have been saying about this topic. I read these things after I had been discussing this for a while.

"If your on the ground, you need to immediately strike hard. The head is the main target. Take out the eyes, the breathing apparatus, the throat, the nerve groups" (pg 89 Black Belt magazine Januray 2009 edition, by a master named, John Pelegrini, who was introduced into the Black belt hall of fame in 2004 as instructor of the year. His fighting system is one of the systems that the US military is interested in)
He also said,

"...I am appauled that some units learn Brazillian jujitsu and are encouraged to fight on the ground...But the idea is to immediately dislodge the person and recover the dominant standing position. It's not about grappling and rolling on the ground." (when he speaks about
'units", he is refering to military training)(pg 91 Black Belt Magazine)

Another man in the same magazine unde a different article said,

"MMA competition is first and foremost a dueling environment. Self defese is an entirely different animal, and the legal system requires requires you distinguish between the two. "
Wim Demeere is a reality based self defense instructor.

And one more expert says,

"Techniques that would be considered dirty fighting in most martial arts_attacks on the eyes and airways-are staples of reality based self defense." (Henry Kou page, 118, Black belt magazine, he is a level four instructor in Commando Krav maga)

[TigerClaw]

George Dillman is a high ranking black belt and was a champion competitor and fighter. Don't get it confused. Its Dillman's pressure point knockouts that are suspect, not the entirety of what the man has done.

His achievements got him a reputation and attention. His desire to copy and imitate Master Oyata is what has most calling him a fraud, but ONLY on that point.

Do you know who Master Oyata is, Ben?

It seems that Ben and others write a person off totally, if they find any error in them. I am not familiar with this man he speaks of, and I do not accept him or reject him.

[Ben Grimm]

I know of Oyata and Hoken, and what Dillman has done. He has been exposed as a fraud due to his no touck KO's and his claims to stop attacks with Qi only. TC, I'm not lying about you. All references you have made are shonky at best. OK, just to get you off my case, I'll take a couple of photos of me training my wife, and I don't care what you say, because I don't just train her in Classical Wing Chun. I like MMA, and I'm not disillusioned with WC, but I know that it's not the only means to an end.

[Uke]

I know of Oyata and Hoken, and what Dillman has done. He has been exposed as a fraud due to his no touck KO's and his claims to stop attacks with Qi only. TC, I'm not lying about you. All references you have made are shonky at best. OK, just to get you off my case, I'll take a couple of photos of me training my wife, and I don't care what you say, because I don't just train her in Classical Wing Chun. I like MMA, and I'm not disillusioned with WC, but I know that it's not the only means to an end.

My point was that Dillman was a celebrity in BB mag before he ever started the no touch KO shit. He's a fraud ONLY because of that but is more accomplished competition wise than anyone here. I agree with you about the no touch KO's, but when you call the man a fraud that means the entirety of the man is a fraud. You would be wrong about that, Ben.

He's earned his place in history, but wanted so badly to be like Oyata and his students that he started that mess. Oyata however, is the real deal.

[Ben Grimm]

I know Oyata is the real deal. I have complete respect for Oyata, always have. But Dillman's Kyushojutsu applications and no touch KO's are fraudulent. I'm sure we can all agree on that.