MMA Sport fighting and Kung Fu combative, the real difference...

[TigerClaw]

Garth said this in response to KenshiRyan

You sound like a very angry individual with a lot of pent up rage. I came in here looking for an intelligent discussion with intelligent people in order to expand my knowledge about martial arts. I posted a reply that was not in the least inflammatory or rude to anyone, nor did I attack anyone personally. In response you reply in a very condescending tone about how I'm "annoying" you. So who is the bad guy here? I'm confused as to why you thought I was someone you needed to be rude to. Is it because the internet offers a degree of anonymity so you can release anger that you can't in real life, or are you actually this rude to everyone in real life as well? I doubt it, even if you were the best martial artist in the world if you went around like that in real life it wouldn't take too long before you offended the wrong person and he pulled out a knife or gun and shot you. It all comes down to self defense as well. It's not just about training your technique and conditioning your body. There is mental training as well. The ability to, when some asshole bumps shoulders with you or cuts you off in traffic and flips you off, to just ignore him and keep on walking instead of being drawn into a fight. That takes more intelligence and training than getting into a fight with him.

Well said, I feel the same about many here. It seems as if they are out to attack and bash others.

I want reasonable discussion and to help others serious martial artist to share techniques and learn from eachother, we can post videos and pics and techniques and learn alot if we could get past the mockers and those who seem to be only here to attack others.

[TigerClaw]

Straight from the LARPers handbook.

I'm no LARPer.

[JadeDragon]

Tigerclaw....do you agree with what I have been saying?

Kenshi.......Yes all martial arts have there value. I never said they didn't. Show me where I said that they didn't. I never said that grappling arts didn't have their value either. I like grappling but I like kung fu better as I have stated before. Kenshi, do you need hooked on phonix to understand what I'm saying? What part of that don't you understand? I'll try to explain it more easily for you in a way that a 1st grader would understand.

[TigerClaw]

Tigerclaw....do you agree with what I have been saying?

Kenshi.......Yes all martial arts have there value. I never said they didn't. Show me where I said that they didn't. I never said that grappling arts didn't have their value either. I like grappling but I like kung fu better as I have stated before. Kenshi, do you need hooked on phonix to understand what I'm saying? What part of that don't you understand? I'll try to explain it more easily for you in a way that a 1st grader would understand.

Yes i agree with much of what you have said.

I have noticed that every time I even suggest that Kung Fu has very effective responses to grapplers or other styles, I get all sorts of arrogant people challenging me and wanting to fight.

The reason that such fights should not take place is that they will often end up in serious injury.

If a grappler attacks me and I pull my techniques they will not feel the resistance and act as if they did not get hit. Imagine if i just deflect an attack to my head and i kick the groin of the opponent, but I pull it and only tap him. They will just keep rushing in feeling no resistance. but if it was a real fight they would be grounded.

The same goes for clawing techniques. If they rush in with a shoot and I reach back and claw their face and have on finger n their lip and the other in their eye lid and torque real fast upward and back, that will do serious damage. but to pull this techniques will do nothing they will only feel hands on their face. How do you pull a claw to the eyelid?

Thats why when I spar with others we pull our techniques. if an opponent comes in and I deflect a few of his strikes and then strike fast into his throat with a Pheonix eye strike, and at the last second I pull the techniques, they know that they would be seriously hurt if I did not pull it. So they accept defeat. But a grappler, (some who are so arrogant and trash talkers and brawlers) won't believe this unless they actually get their throat crushed. Then it is too late and charges come.

Good martial artist should avoid this type of situation at all cost. It has nothing to do with being afraid of the opponent. More afraid of being proud and hurting another human being and getting charged.

[USArmyBJJ]

I have noticed that every time I even suggest that Kung Fu has very effective responses to grapplers or other styles, I get all sorts of arrogant people challenging me and wanting to fight.

I agree that challenging people to fight over the internet is a bit silly. But I don't consider it "arrogant" to say that someone should prove their theory through application. That's just the way the scientific method works.

The reason that such fights should not take place is that they will often end up in serious injury.

But they're the arrogant ones....

If a grappler attacks me and I pull my techniques they will not feel the resistance and act as if they did not get hit. Imagine if i just deflect an attack to my head and i kick the groin of the opponent, but I pull it and only tap him. They will just keep rushing in feeling no resistance. but if it was a real fight they would be grounded.

The same goes for clawing techniques. If they rush in with a shoot and I reach back and claw their face and have on finger n their lip and the other in their eye lid and torque real fast upward and back, that will do serious damage. but to pull this techniques will do nothing they will only feel hands on their face. How do you pull a claw to the eyelid?

Thats why when I spar with others we pull our techniques. if an opponent comes in and I deflect a few of his strikes and then strike fast into his throat with a Pheonix eye strike, and at the last second I pull the techniques, they know that they would be seriously hurt if I did not pull it. So they accept defeat. But a grappler, (some who are so arrogant and trash talkers and brawlers) won't believe this unless they actually get their throat crushed. Then it is too late and charges come.

But how do you know any of this will happen unless you try it? I know that I can knock a person out with a right cross - not because I saw it on TV, not because I'm pretty sure that it can happen, but because I've done it. The only way you can really know that something works is to try it and experiment with it. Why is it so unreasonable to say that you should prove a technique works before shouting to the world that it does?

Good martial artist should avoid this type of situation at all cost. It has nothing to do with being afraid of the opponent. More afraid of being proud and hurting another human being and getting charged.

I generally agree with this. I think martial arts should only be used for self-defense and for sport.

[mellow]

The only way you can really know that something works is to try it and experiment with it. Why is it so unreasonable to say that you should prove a technique works before shouting to the world that it does?

How many people did you have to shoot in basic?

[TTEscrima]

How many people did you have to shoot in basic?

Irrelevant unless they were "fully resisting". LOL.

BTW, "fully resisting" means they were shooting back with the intent to do more harm to you first, and by any means possible. Fully resisting opponents don't play by any rules.

In warfighting terms I'd say all sports arts are based upon cooperatively resisting opponents.

[jubaji]

It's always amusing to see the LARP crowd try to equate their scratching and eye poking with firearms. LIVING WEAPONS they are! LOL!

[USArmyBJJ]

How many people did you have to shoot in basic?

None - and I take your point and think it's generally a good one. I don't know that I would be able to succeed in combat as a result of Basic Training. I can say that I know the theory works because it is constantly tested in a real environment and one can see the results. Therefore, I can say with reasonable certainty that some things work and somethings don't. But I can't say that I know for certain that they will work for me.

I compare this to the right cross. I know that it can work for me because it has worked for me on numerous occasions. I can also say that it is a generally good punch because I've seen it work on numerous, documented occasions. It has been tested in both controlled and uncontrolled environments and one can see the results in five minutes on youtube.

Eye gouges I haven't seen work on numerous occasions, and I have never personally tried them. Therefore, I cannot say that they will work for me, nor can I say that the theory is all that great.

That's why I proposed a relatively safe and controlled experiment to JadeDragon to actually test his theory (that might have been on another thread, I don't remember).

So, I take your point. But I just don't think it really applies to these specific facts.

[KenshiRyan]

Tigerclaw....do you agree with what I have been saying?

Kenshi.......Yes all martial arts have there value. I never said they didn't. Show me where I said that they didn't. I never said that grappling arts didn't have their value either. I like grappling but I like kung fu better as I have stated before. Kenshi, do you need hooked on phonix to understand what I'm saying? What part of that don't you understand? I'll try to explain it more easily for you in a way that a 1st grader would understand.

god sake:

Firstly, I am not some mma guy, Im a martial artist.

Secondly:


Ok Ill re post the start of my last comment since you obviously havent read it:
Instead of tiring yourself explain the same crap over and over again, why dont you properly read what I am saying and quit being so arrogant to just ignore me and continue complaining about somthing that hasnt happend.



This is actually amazing at how utterly blind and stupid you are, If you arent prepared to read what Im saying and understand it please STOP replying to me with the same crap.
Again if you go back and READ my post "dear Tigerclaw"
You'll hopefully this time understand my point, as I have clearly explained it for the hundreth time the benefits of a sport's enviroment and how it relates to real defence. If you have trouble understanding it I suggest getting you ask me instead of acting like I've hassled kungfu and you have a valid point to voice.

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WHERE exactly do I tell you that you have said grappling arts have no value?

Yes all martial arts have there value. I never said they didn't

...... I never said you have! notice how it says at the top "dear tigerclaw" ?, honestly what is wrong with you.

The whole point of telling you to read my comment was so you'd understand how even though mma is a sports art it still provide's a massive advantage in training, It is amazing how even still you havent understood the post.

do you need hooked on phonix to understand what I'm saying? What part of that don't you understand? I'll try to explain it more easily for you in a way that a 1st grader would understand.

you are an absolute twat.

seriously listen to what your saying and actually use it yourself.

[KenshiRyan]

Garth said this in response to KenshiRyan




Well said, I feel the same about many here. It seems as if they are out to attack and bash others.

I want reasonable discussion and to help others serious martial artist to share techniques and learn from eachother, we can post videos and pics and techniques and learn alot if we could get past the mockers and those who seem to be only here to attack others.

yeah cause garth added to this thread so well, does the fact he got banned mean anything to you?, I mean Im still here? surely if I was just attacking and bashing everyone's arts I would've been banned already since Ive been around since 2007?

I want reasonable discussion and to help others serious martial artist to share techniques and learn from eachother, we can post videos and pics and techniques and learn alot if we could get past the mockers and those who seem to be only here to attack others.

taken from your 2nd post in this thread:

I do see Kung Fu as a superior fighting style to all other martial arts on the planet.

So your way of having a resonable discussion is to claim superiority over any other martial artists that dont do kung fu?

honestly your a contradictive joke.

just shut it.

[mellow]

yeah cause garth added to this thread so well, does the fact he got banned mean anything to you?, I mean Im still here? surely if I was just attacking and bashing everyone's arts I would've been banned already since Ive been around since 2007?.

Well, Jubs has consistently been at it since '02



USARMY BJJ:
I'll get back with you when I get off of work tomorrow. Thanks fro trying to see it from my side

[jubaji]

Well, Jubs has consistently been at it since '02

Which arts have I been attacking exactly?

[TigerClaw]

So your way of having a resonable discussion is to claim superiority over any other martial artists that dont do kung fu?

honestly your a contradictive joke.
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Just because i believe Kung Fu is a far better system than most on the planet does not mean that i don't value other systems.

I am just being honest in my statements and that is how I feel. i am sure that many think their art great.

[KenshiRyan]

Well said, I feel the same about many here. It seems as if they are out to attack and bash others.

I want reasonable discussion and to help others serious martial artist to share techniques and learn from eachother, we can post videos and pics and techniques and learn alot if we could get past the mockers and those who seem to be only here to attack others.

Excuse me but why exactly use me as an example of attacking and bashing other arts? I have bashed NO ONES arts in this intire thread!, I find it extremely insulting when you attempt to discredit me by giving people a false impression of myself, my stand through out this thread has always been the equallity of all arts, so dont be suprised when I say up yours
stop using lies towards me as a means to discredit anyone who disagrees with you.

Just because i believe Kung Fu is a far better system than most on the planet does not mean that i don't value other systems.

I am just being honest in my statements and that is how I feel. i am sure that many think their art great.

Then How is it exactly that anyone who disagrees with you like 90% of everyone here is "attacking" and "bashing" your art? I mean "were just being honest in our statements, and that is how we feel" so how come were classed as bashers? again your still just a contradictive whinning larper.