Misconceptions of kung fu practitioners

[USArmyBJJ]

I was just using it as an example. If someone is sitting on your chest yours hands may be preoccupied with their attacks, in the struggle they may slide down leaving biting your only option for an offensive.

Oh, I see. Makes sense.

It's just one of a myriad of possibilities to a situation. I personally prefer to roll out of this situation and gain my feet.

How would you perform the mount escape? I know the one you would use in BJJ, but I'm interested in how other arts teach the escape from here. Is it a bridge and roll kind of thing (similar to the basic BJJ escape)? Or something else entirely?

But the other persons input may only allow for certain movements depending on their training or the landscape of the fight.

Agreed.

[kingoftheforest]

I agree with most of what you said, but I'm not sure I understand this. Unless the guy is literally tea-bagging you, how are you going to be able to bite him when he's sitting on your chest? Aren't your chest, shoulders and arms going to be in the way? I think I'm just confused as to how the attack would work in practice.

I was just using it as an example. If someone is sitting on your chest yours hands may be preoccupied with their attacks, in the struggle they may slide down leaving biting your only option for an offensive.

It's just one of a myriad of possibilities to a situation. I personally prefer to roll out of this situation and gain my feet.

But the other persons input may only allow for certain movements depending on their training or the landscape of the fight.

[USArmyBJJ]

If a person is sitting on your chest their groin is exposed, even if biting it is your only option, depends on how bad you want to "win", whatever winning is in your mind. it differs from person to person I'm sure.

I agree with most of what you said, but I'm not sure I understand this. Unless the guy is literally tea-bagging you, how are you going to be able to bite him when he's sitting on your chest? Aren't your chest, shoulders and arms going to be in the way? I think I'm just confused as to how the attack would work in practice.

[kingoftheforest]

I personally have found that KF teaches you to follow simple body mechanics.

Bruce Lee said it and I'm sure it was said before him, that you have 2 arms 2 legs a torso and a head.

You can only do certain things with the human body, you can also elicit certain reactions out of the body.

If you hit a guy in the belly, regardless of what technique or style you use he will lean forward.

Boxing uses a body blow for this, Karate a similar move, kickboxing can use a knee a kick or a punch.

It's been said before it's not the style it's the fighter.

My personal experience is that KF's main goal is to teach efficiency. positioning is VERY important IMHO in any martial art.

learning how to gain a better position than your opponent and keep that position is paramount to training.

learning what to do if you lose the better positioning is also important if not more so. I feel KF for my personal taste teaches this most effectively. Different strokes for different folks I guess.


Knowing your range which could also be considered position is important if you don't want to waste throwing punches and kicks when you can't even reach your opponent.

The eyes, throat and groin are valuable targets, because at any given time if your opponent can touch you, you can attack at least one of these, barring any major physical deformities on your part.

If a person is sitting on your chest their groin is exposed, even if biting it is your only option, depends on how bad you want to "win", whatever winning is in your mind. it differs from person to person I'm sure.

So it all comes down to learning the basic physics of the human body no matter what style of MA you use.

Taking out the weighted leg on an opponent while avoiding his attack will unbalance him, he'll either fall or he'll have to do something to regain balance if he can. Now you have disrupted his attack.

The KF styles that I have been taught, give you the mechanics to disrupt your attacker while at the same time doing damage to him. Multi tasking can be found in most effective MA weather KF or not.

it really all comes down to vehicle preference. You don't off road in you Z3 while at the same time you don't want to spend the gas money on a SUV for a marathon race.

[Tant01]

Spam...

You can attack the eyes, throat, temple, or groin, etc...

The clear lack of substance in your posts tells me you are here to promote WOW gold.

We have little tolerance for spam here.

~Tant01

[KenshiRyan]

And the other misconception is that mma is the "ultimate" fighting style. Stop acting like it is. Remember in the 80's people thought that ninjutsu was the "ultimate" fighting art? You saw what happened there, right? It pretty much vanished. MMA won't vanish but hopfully people will stop jumping on a bandwagon fad and come to their senses that there is more to fighting than just grappling.

again:

No body here has ever told you "MMA is the ultimate fighting style",

There you go again complaining about something that hasnt happened...
why are you putting yourself through all this trouble defending yourself against something that has not happened?

I never said kung fu was superior.

then why have you backed up tiger claw over and over again when his view is that kung fu is superior to all other arts? dont you think that's a bad idea when your trying to apparently tell us that you dont believe this?

[jubaji]

When someone has mounted you pull them down close to you by by grabbing around their neck.

Oh, you try to improve your position? Where have we heard that before?

[jubaji]

If you don't get it this time maybe you should get "hooked on phonix"

Maybe you should learn how to spell before trying to pull off that joke.

[USArmyBJJ]

Yes I know what the mount is, but thank you for the lesson on how to do the mount.

I try not to assume what people do and don't know.

When someone has mounted you pull them down close to you by by grabbing around their neck. This makes them closer to you allowing you better reach to their vital areas on the face.

Did you try the experiment? How easy was it for you to grab him by the neck and pull him down while he was gouging your eyes with his thumbs? Did your opponent keep proper posture?

How hard really is it to poke their eyes, come on, lets be real. It very easy. You see fighters pulling their opponent close to them all the time on television.

I don't think you want to look solely at your ability to "poke their eyes." I think you also want to look at the effectiveness of it. Certainly poking someone's eye with the tip of your finger is not as effective as full on jamming your thumbs in there and scraping them out, right?

Who, in your opinion, has the ability to more effectively gouge the eyes? The man in the mount, or the man on the bottom?

Did you try the experiment to test your theories?

[mellow]

Come on now. Eye gouges, fish hooks, etc, are not pieces of Krytonite that will magically weaken and lay helpless someone attacking you with any kind of real intent. At best it might buy you a few seconds, but do you really want to piss off somebody who's in position to rain down all kinds of hurt on you?

CMAs have enough damage to their rep already. You are just adding fuel to the fire.

[JadeDragon]

No.

The misconception has been, that kung fu fighters can beat any mma fighter because mma fighters dont train vital strikes. stop acting like you guys are the poor victims.

And the other misconception is that mma is the "ultimate" fighting style. Stop acting like it is. Remember in the 80's people thought that ninjutsu was the "ultimate" fighting art? You saw what happened there, right? It pretty much vanished. MMA won't vanish but hopfully people will stop jumping on a bandwagon fad and come to their senses that there is more to fighting than just grappling.

Kenshi......have you not been reading anything that I have said. I'll say it for you one more time. If you don't get it this time maybe you should get "hooked on phonix" I have been saying that a mma person can beat a kung fu person and vice versa. What part of that do you not understand. If you can't understand what I'm saying maybe you should go back to what ever country your from. I never said kung fu was superior. I'm just stating that kung fu works better for me and if someone know how to properly use their knowledge of kung fu techniques it CAN work. Thats all I'm saying. Sorry if it hurts your feeling but get over it.

[JadeDragon]

I have to disagree with you here. I'll make you a deal. I'll try your test tonight at practice, and you in turn, try this one. Here it is:

Get your buddy (BJJ, Kung Fu, random dude, whatever) and have him mount you. That is, have him sit on your chest, with his knees straddling both sides, his weight on top of you. Now, you extend your arms and try (or feign or whatever) to gouge his eyes and have him extend his hands and see who has the better leverage, reach, and power while doing it. Also, see who is better able to move their head away and prevent the gouge. Let us know the results of the experiment. Even better, video tape it and show everyone!

Yes I know what the mount is, but thank you for the lesson on how to do the mount.

When someone has mounted you pull them down close to you by by grabbing around their neck. This makes them closer to you allowing you better reach to their vital areas on the face. How hard really is it to poke their eyes, come on, lets be real. It very easy. You see fighters pulling their opponent close to them all the time on television.

[KenshiRyan]

The misconcption is that we kung fu practitioners only know how to use these crazy hand strikes and that we only go for vital areas such as the eyes, throat, temple, etc.....

No.

The misconception has been, that kung fu fighters can beat any mma fighter because mma fighters dont train vital strikes. stop acting like you guys are the poor victims.

[KenshiRyan]

Positioning has very little to do with it.

God...somebody please stop him.

[USArmyBJJ]

Positioning has very little to do with it. You can attack the eyes, throat, temple, or groin, etc... from just about any position weather your in the guard, on your back, have the side mount, north/south position or just about any other position. If you don't believe me try it next time your grappling. As long as your hands are free and your thinking rationally these strikes to these area will work. I don't understand why some people doubt this. Try it for yourself if you don't believe it.

I have to disagree with you here. I'll make you a deal. I'll try your test tonight at practice, and you in turn, try this one. Here it is:

Get your buddy (BJJ, Kung Fu, random dude, whatever) and have him mount you. That is, have him sit on your chest, with his knees straddling both sides, his weight on top of you. Now, you extend your arms and try (or feign or whatever) to gouge his eyes and have him extend his hands and see who has the better leverage, reach, and power while doing it. Also, see who is better able to move their head away and prevent the gouge. Let us know the results of the experiment. Even better, video tape it and show everyone!