Technique discussions, pictures and video etc.

[JadeDragon]

First of all, you challenged Jubaji to a fight. I'm talking about a sparring match/work out- there's a big difference. Secondly, Jubaji hasn't claimed to be a teacher, TC has. A lot of people have asked him where he teaches so that could come in a try a class. If he was a teacher he could have welcomed them and possibly gotten a new student or business contact out of it.

I challenged him to either way he wanted to do it (either a sparring match or a real fight). I even said someone could be there to keep it clean and fair and from getting out of control.

[Sagacious Lu]

I challenged him to either way he wanted to do it (either a sparring match or a real fight). I even said someone could be there to keep it clean and fair and from getting out of control.

Look, you're still missing the point which is that Jubaji has nothing to prove whereas TC is claiming to be an instructor. Besides, I read that thread and regardless of how you tried to back-pedal you threatened and cursed at him- that's not the way to start something productive. Regardless though, this discussion has nothing to do with your personal feud with Jubaji, it's about TC's very public and grandiose claims that he refuses to back up. A genuine teacher would be happy to have a fellow martial artist come in and work out at their school; that's what they're there for and that's how they pay the bills.

[JadeDragon]

Look, you're still missing the point which is that Jubaji has nothing to prove whereas TC is claiming to be an instructor. Besides, I read that thread and regardless of how you tried to back-pedal you threatened and cursed at him- that's not the way to start something productive. Regardless though, this discussion has nothing to do with your personal feud with Jubaji, it's about TC's very public and grandiose claims that he refuses to back up. A genuine teacher would be happy to have a fellow martial artist come in and work out at their school; that's what they're there for and that's how they pay the bills.

No I get the point your making. My point is, and I'm not trying to argue with you is that Jubaji doubted my ability and/or training and wanted proof of it so I said lets meet. What better proof is there than seeing it first hand? And he refused to meet but still insists on doubting me and insulting me by calling me names. I told him to basically put up or shut up and he won't do it. But I get what your saying. If TigerClaw would meet up to exchange hands of post a video it might remove some doubt about him. Thats why I wanted to meet with Jubaji so I could remove doubt in any one's mind. Thats where I was coming from with the bickering between me and jubaji. Peace.

[jubaji]

Jubaji doubted my ability.

Yes, based on your stupid-ass comments.

and wanted proof of it .

No.

[KenshiRyan]

remember a boxer doesn't protest their lower gate, and they don't kick. Unless you are speaking of a kick boxer.

Im a boxer, (but I've also studied several other martial arts for several years prior), where do you get the idea that I wont kick someone if Im in a sparring situation that would allow me to do so?, or a selfdefence situation?

I get annoyed by idiots who consistantly doubt boxers because they focus their training on their fists, it only proves to me how stereotypical and inexperienced their veiws on martial arts really are.

(hint hint tigertroll)

[Uncle Skippy]

I get annoyed by idiots who consistantly doubt boxers because they focus their training on their fists, it only proves to me how stereotypical and inexperienced their veiws on martial arts really are.

Everyone knows that Sport Fighters lose 90% of their power and technique as soon as they step foot on teh d3ad1y streetz. The smell of the asphalt triggers the "DUHHHHHH" mechanism in their brains, causing them to limp around like gimpy sasquatches and beating up small furry animals every chance they get.

It is true. You have to believe me because I said it was true.

Meanwhile, people who train for 7eh de4dly s7reet5 soak up that 90% power loss and can drive 7 inch spikes with their pinky toe. They double their speed and can defeat any size foe with just their stare and a bag of Cheetos.

It is true. I would not lie about such things.

TigerClaw: where'd you go? We miss you.

[jubaji]

Everyone knows that Sport Fighters lose 90% of their power and technique as soon as they step foot on teh d3ad1y streetz. The smell of the asphalt triggers the "DUHHHHHH" mechanism in their brains, causing them to limp around like gimpy sasquatches and beating up small furry animals every chance they get.

It is true. You have to believe me because I said it was true.

Meanwhile, people who train for 7eh de4dly s7reet5 soak up that 90% power loss and can drive 7 inch spikes with their pinky toe. They double their speed and can defeat any size foe with just their stare and a bag of Cheetos.

It is true. I would not lie about such things.

Are you by any chance related to Uke?

[Ben Grimm]

Harsh

Are you by any chance related to Uke?

Ouch! That's harsh!

[Uncle Skippy]

Ouch! That's harsh!

I am outside of the inside joke. :-(

COME BACK TIGERCLAW!!!!

(See that? I am summoning the evil troll spirit of Faux Kung Fu)

[csc]

You may need to shift the hips to the side and strike the groin or elbow the solar plexes, or stomp the instep, to allow a distraction. Hopefully that will cause him to loosen his grip and then all the factors of the move can be done quickly.

I believe the joint lock should be integrated with throw. For the RNC, you will need to use your knee to press on your opponent's back and then pull him down to the ground ASAP. While your opponent is sitting on the ground with his neck been pressing forward, none of his counters will work.

MMA guys will take their opponent down and then looking for a control. CMA guys will control their opponent while standing and then take their opponent down (by locking or throwing). IMPO, the CMA approach always has a head start (you are already in dominate position before going down to the ground).

Allowing your opponent to be able to stand on his feet when you apply joint lock will not be to your advantage (too many counters can be applied by your opponent).

[Uncle Skippy]

MMA guys will take their opponent down and then looking for a control. CMA guys will control their opponent while standing and then take their opponent down (by locking or throwing). IMPO, the CMA approach always has a head start (you are already in dominate position before going down to the ground).

What are you talking about when you say "MMA guys"?

What wrestling/grappling styles are you talking about?

Is it BJJ? Judo? Wrestling? ... ?

For BJJ, a common mantra is "position before submission." Establishing a position and control is important. Trying to make the general statement of 'MMA guys will take their opponent down and then looking for a control' is a gross misunderstanding of fundamental BJJ concepts if you are talking about BJJ.

In fact, you won't get anyone to the ground without control first. Are you hoping they trip on something?

I'm not saying CMA has no footing (no pun intended) but I find a lot to be desired in your assumptions about 'MMA guys.'

You might try to drop in a BJJ/Judo/Wrestling school for a week's trial to see just how much you are misstating and assuming here.

[-FIGJAM-]

I believe the joint lock should be integrated with throw. For the RNC, you will need to use your knee to press on your opponent's back and then pull him down to the ground ASAP. While your opponent is sitting on the ground with his neck been pressing forward, none of his counters will work.

MMA guys will take their opponent down and then looking for a control. CMA guys will control their opponent while standing and then take their opponent down (by locking or throwing). IMPO, the CMA approach always has a head start (you are already in dominate position before going down to the ground).

Allowing your opponent to be able to stand on his feet when you apply joint lock will not be to your advantage (too many counters can be applied by your opponent).

Yea i have to agree with Uncle hear. Maybe i am misunderstanding, but could you throw up some pictures of what you mean?

We were talking about how to get out of a RNC, to be clear are you describing a better way to put one on?

Lets not forget what MMA stands for... Mixed Martial Arts, meaning a number of arts... fighters generally have a ground game and a standing game. MT clinch is a good way to control your opponent, other ways are striking to try and keep them at distance, etc.

Is ring awareness not controlling your opponent? forcing them where you want them to go, cut the ring in half all that type of thing? there are ways to take down an opponent and work a submission straight from that position. Can you be a little more specific?

Thanks,

[csc]

Most of my MMA (guys who train BJJ, MT, and boxing) friends like to use single or double leg take down, they will take down their opponent first and then looking for a dominate position so they can apply arm bar, leg bar, or choke. During the moment of single or double legs take down, their opponent's both arms are still free.

My understanding about their strategy is

- take down,
- find dominate position, and then
- apply submission.

We were talking about how to get out of a RNC, to be clear are you describing a better way to put one on?

I'm talking about if you "complete" the RNC by putting your opponent on the ground, then it will be very difficult (or even impossible) to counter.

[Uncle Skippy]

Most of my MMA (guys who train BJJ, MT, and boxing) friends like to use single or double leg take down, they will take down their opponent first and then looking for a dominate position so they can apply arm bar, leg bar, or choke. During the moment of single or double legs take down, their opponent's both arms are still free.

First, there are a lot more takedowns than single and double leg in MMA. Judo practitioners in particular (Karo Parisyan being the most touted in MMA) tend to have an encyclopedic knowledge of how to get you to the ground whether you like it or not. If they want to take you to the ground, you will be on the ground. Really.

Are you saying that a lack of upper body control means there is a lack of overall control?

[csc]

The Judo approach is very similar to the CMA approach. They like to obtain dominate position before going down to the ground.