Technique discussions, pictures and video etc.

[BoonDog]

Hey TigerClaw, what would you recommend to counter an elbow lock? It's been my sticking point, and I'd like to figure something out. Any little hints or pointers will help me a lot.

Okay, I see the game you are playing. You seem be Bruce or one of his sons. He too ducked questions and evaded responses. You too probably do understand kung fu and Chinese history. I am not sure I want to get into another long, protracted argument.

Good luck with all your work, but if I feel the need to correct you, I will.

[bobblehead]

LF, here is the deal. When i first ran into this fool, i was polite and identified myself, my lineage and even posted a couple pics of me with and without my teachers at Bruce's request. He ignored my requests for the same.

How rude, but I let it slide as he was claiming to be a "brother" so to speak. When it became apparent that he knew little if anything about the KF in question i began to do a little google-fu. In a few minutes i found out the following, but since then the pile of rubbish has only grown.

Turns out Bruce Downey has been at this little game for years, and it seems that part of this little shtick is to change the styles he claims to teach; from Hung, to _ing _un, white crane, CLF etc... Forum searches connecting Bruce to Leishman (who himself claims Bruce only trained for a year)go back years, yet in not one instance has he come up with another teacher.

The whole deal plays out the same way on every forum, ending with Bruce REBUKE-ing everyone who calls his BS and his eventual banning for refusing to abide by forum rules.

[LuohanFist]

Okay, I see the game you are playing. You seem be Bruce or one of his sons. He too ducked questions and evaded responses. You too probably do understand kung fu and Chinese history. I am not sure I want to get into another long, protracted argument.

Good luck with all your work, but if I feel the need to correct you, I will.

Correct me? What did I say wrong? I just gave my instructor, my rank, and the length of time. Not even black belt. What's the big deal?

And TigerClaw, thank you for sharing.

[JadeDragon]

posted by a person (Goju-Jo) on Bullshido.com......

To Ben
Fraud implies someone who lies about credentials i.e. claiming to be a BJJ BB.
Whether or not HungKungFu teaches crap or not he seems to be honest about his training and credentials therefore - not a fraud-

And to HungKungFu.....
No one cares if someone makes something up if it can be backed up in a live resistant non choreographed manner. The problem with most Kung Fu is they back up their claims through descriptions and anecdotal confirmation.

There are several posters here who are Kung Fu guys and can show what they know works. In the day and age of video and youtube it's not hard.

This is neither a critique or a confirmation of what you can or can't do. Just clarifying this statement

[TigerClaw]

Hey TigerClaw, what would you recommend to counter an elbow lock? It's been my sticking point, and I'd like to figure something out. Any little hints or pointers will help me a lot.

By elbow lock do you mean, the person grabs your wrist with one hand twist it over and presses his other hand or forearm on your elbow as you are faced towards the ground?

One escape is to ben d the elbow just before he locks in and hook back with the same hand that is grabbed and twist in facing your opponent and lock his wrist and get him into the same position. I would have to post pictures for this one. I have to do a few things right now, but let me know exactly what elbow lock you are referring to. there are a few different ones.

And as far as the mockers and false assumers, just ignore them and lets talk.

[JadeDragon]

posted by BoonDog on Bullshido.com.......

It is not up to us to read other web sites. YOU came HERE making accusations without any evidence. HungKungFu says what his lineage comes from. SHOW proof that he claims this is not his lineage or that this lineage is false. THIS FORUM NEEDS EVIDENCE to back claims and not fight challenges. A fight does not prove of disprove lineage, it only proves an inability to fight.

[bobblehead]

Why do you use that Lotusmaster quote in a misleading manner, Bruce?

[clfsean]

Stop attacking this guy and just go away. Man, you guys have no patience and grace with people.

Was I talking to you coward? No... I wasn't. I have tons of patience with people. Until they show me that the patience I extended was in vain & not worth it.

LF... so if you hit blue belt... where'd you get the phrase Luohan Raises the Flag?

[bobblehead]

posted by BoonDog on Bullshido.com.......

It is not up to us to read other web sites. YOU came HERE making accusations without any evidence. HungKungFu says what his lineage comes from. SHOW proof that he claims this is not his lineage or that this lineage is false. THIS FORUM NEEDS EVIDENCE to back claims and not fight challenges. A fight does not prove of disprove lineage, it only proves an inability to fight.

This is a misleading quote too, Jade.
Bruce has only shown one teacher, one who actually refutes his claims.
Get it? The only teacher he can name says he is a liar....
All of that surfaced at Bullshido, where you pulled that quote from...

[TigerClaw]

LF, here is the deal. When i first ran into this fool, i was polite pile of rubbish has only grown.

lol, that says it all, look at how this man talks to others.

You are marginalized with the other false assumers.

All you can say about the information I have given about myself, (which has been considerable comparred to many ), is that you don't know, or you don't believe me. I don't care if you believe or not. but you cannot make any factual claims that i am not exactly who I say I am. That is where you and many others put your foot in your mouth and look absurd to the unbiased reader. as Louhan demonstrates. he doesn't understand why you and others act as you do, he tried my techniques and they work, he sees nothing wrong with what I have said, and he does not need to question further. He is in a position to learn and grow. you however are not.

I marvel at how one lie against me, or one false assumption can grow into a massive mountain of lies and error.

The bottom line is, that some get in a huff and arrogant rage when I won't tell them all the specifics of my personal info. I already shared why I won't do this, but that is not enough.

Stop your lying and false assumptions

[TigerClaw]

Okay, I see the game you are playing. You seem be Bruce or one of his sons. He too ducked questions and evaded responses. You too probably do understand kung fu and Chinese history. I am not sure I want to get into another long, protracted argument.

Good luck with all your work, but if I feel the need to correct you, I will.

Hey you did one thing right before you trapped yourself in a lie, you said, "seem to be".

Because I don't know this person, he is just one of the many many many kung fu people who understand what I am talking about.

[bobblehead]

Where did i lie Bruce? The misleading quote is still there you liar.

[clfsean]

lol, that says it all, look at how this man talks to others.

You are marginalized with the other false assumers.

All you can say about the information I have given about myself, (which has been considerable comparred to many ), is that you don't know, or you don't believe me. I don't care if you believe or not. but you cannot make any factual claims that i am not exactly who I say I am. That is where you and many others put your foot in your mouth and look absurd to the unbiased reader. as Louhan demonstrates. he doesn't understand why you and others act as you do, he tried my techniques and they work, he sees nothing wrong with what I have said, and he does not need to question further. He is in a position to learn and grow. you however are not.

I marvel at how one lie against me, or one false assumption can grow into a massive mountain of lies and error.

The bottom line is, that some get in a huff and arrogant rage when I won't tell them all the specifics of my personal info. I already shared why I won't do this, but that is not enough.

Stop your lying and false assumptions

Then perform the basic CLF combo I put on a board 3 banned boards ago!!!!!! You'd make us all go away if you performed it properly!!!!

Can You??? No ... that would mean actual training in CLF, not looking at pictures in books or ripping off combos from other CLF sites in order to try to deflect attention from you

Will You??? No ... that would require honesty & forthrightness in gaining the trust of a bona-fide CLF sifu to teach you. Including for money, none of the Sifu I know would do anything except show you empty motion.

[bobblehead]

Like my signature Bruce??

[TigerClaw]

that would require honesty & forthrightness in gaining the trust of a bona-fide CLF sifu to teach you.

My Choy Li Fut sifu is very knowledgable. The lineage goes right back to the founder and I have learned much from him. And i will never give you his name or lineages or anyone here. I would never want such horrible men bothering him with all this nonsense.

I am not your puppet to dance around when you require it. if you were a moral gracious person of character I may have shown you some of the forms i know and video or pics etc. may is the key word.