why I left kungfu

[Tant01]

kung-fu is like chess game

Practice makes perfect. Or am I really just getting that old?

There are SO many variables in any given scenario it's impossible to predict EXACTLY what may be next but one thing is certain...

Time and unforeseen occurrence befall us all...

The best we can do is ARM ourselves in case of extremity.

(or not?) LOL

Always nice to have a fail safe when SHTF...

[DaleDugas]

Not that you are getting old.

The new MTV generation feel you have to do it within months what takes a few years.

[kingoftheforest]

ggg214 - while i respect your comment I think that any style that requires you to practice for a ridiculous amount of hours JUST to become competent proves that the style is inefficient.

Practice makes perfect. Or am I really just getting that old?

[kiddbjj]

ggg214 - while i respect your comment I think that any style that requires you to practice for a ridiculous amount of hours JUST to become competent proves that the style is inefficient.

Not to keep beating the MMA drum but I have seen and sparred with people that have only trained in MMA for 8-12 months (3xweek) and are now powerful and skilled fighters. Why? Because the training methods are geared towards developing real skill under stressful and alive conditions. Not just repetative movement training.

Dude, I used to think like you when I trained KF. I thought KF was the bomb. Then I actually put my ego (and black sash) on the line and became a beginner in a BJJ/MMA gym. Trust me....once you've seen the light you can never go back to being fooled again.

[ggg214]

one more person who thinks the kung fu is a waste of time.
i should admit that there are so many fake kung fu masters. they are just making money instead of teaching kung fu.
but at the time when you question whether kung fu is efficient or not, do you ask yourself how much time and energy you put in it? 2 hours once, 3 times a week?that's far from enough.
let me tell you that my master have trained the Xin Yi Liu He for over 39 years.until now, he keeps everyday training, 3 hours each day. so now he can easily break your bones and knock you down. last week when we met, he told me that the grand master of this style, Lu Song Gao, seems train the style every minutes, every day, because even when he tried to pick up the chopstiks for dinner, he used the movement of the style.
kung fu is complicated, so it's not easy to reach its requirement. kung fu is also simple in training methods----keep repeating every movement.
i don't want to bring you back to kung fu, i just want to tell you that there is another way to train kung fu, and more efficient. you are not luck, at all.

[Tant01]

Thanks (A LOT!)

Bruce/Tigerclaw

You have been banned three times by the powers that be and you are still posting.

You sir are not honorable in the least.

If you were like you claim you said, you would take what the powers that be give you and move on.

but you slink around and keep posting.

mouthboxing fraud

LOL Thanks for pointing out my incompetence...

Can't even keep a lid on my trash can.

[DaleDugas]

Bruce/Tigerclaw

You have been banned three times by the powers that be and you are still posting.

You sir are not honorable in the least.

If you were like you claim you said, you would take what the powers that be give you and move on.

but you slink around and keep posting.

mouthboxing fraud

Here's a simple way of finding a kung fu instructor that you like before spending alot of time and tution in the style.
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Chances are he's really into his trade craft and loves nothing more than to work at it - so he's probably mixing with his students and loves training.

Hey, sounds like me. I always talk to new students and share things with them, I invite them to defend against an attack that I do towards them. they are overcome and I show them other aspects of the style. Usually after sharing and mixing it up, they are convinced. The biggest problem with new students, is not the convincing, but the discipline and hard work that follows. Some cannot handle it.

I would say that there are many reasons for getting into Kung Fu. But if some just want to get a bit of exercise and learn a few self defense techniques, I think they won't go far.

[kiddbjj]

case in point:
YouTube - Sanshou China Course

when kung fu people actually focus on becoming fighters and training the high percentage techniques the results are impressive and practical.

[kiddbjj]

mellow - I never said kung fu sucks, mma rules however I have stated (in a respectful way and based on my experiences) that imo kung fu would be a lesser option for someone who wants to learn how to fight when compared to other styles such as the combat sports.

If you want excellent fitness, grace, coordination and a source of comraderie amongst othe likeminded people then kung fu is excellent. But its simply not the fastest or most effective means to learn to fight.

Sagacious Lu, thanks for the input. I know you have seen the light with regards to what I am trying to say.

Kung fu is incredibly multi-dimensional. Too much so if you try and learn all of it. Yet the diversity is what attracts most people in the beginning, myself included.

[Tant01]

and again...

I will say this again. ......

...and again and again!

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...and again and again!

[Sagacious Lu]

This sounds extremely similar to my own experience, and is absolutely in line from what I've seen from other schools. Actually, it describes one of the better kung fu schools that you're likely to find; certainly light years ahead of a strip mall McKwan. The problems outlined are not the result of a crappy teacher and sub-par school, IMHO they're indicative of the mind set and goals that are common to the vast majority of kung fu schools.

[kingoftheforest]

here's a simple way of finding a kung fu instructor that you like before spending alot of time and tution in the style.

Visit the school.

Talk to the instructor - what has he done with his style of kung fu? Who does he teach?

If he teaches out of a mall and his students are vastly overweight, lots of soccer moms, has slow, telegraphing movements, doing things that you know a boxer with 3 months of experience could destroy - thank him for his time and leave.

If his students come from a variety of backgrounds or primarily security/military backgrounds - demonstrates economy of motion, makes every move count (or as deception, progressive indirect attack, attack by combination) and he's used his kung fu before (you can tell by rolling with him and talking with him) - you know he's legit.

Chances are he's really into his trade craft and loves nothing more than to work at it - so he's probably mixing with his students and loves training.

If the head instructor-head master is too busy to see you (assuming he isn't teaching class) walk out.

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[Tom Yum]

Kung Fu

Here's a simple way of finding a kung fu instructor that you like before spending alot of time and tution in the style.

Visit the school.

Talk to the instructor - what has he done with his style of kung fu? Who does he teach?

If he teaches out of a mall and his students are vastly overweight, lots of soccer moms, has slow, telegraphing movements, doing things that you know a boxer with 3 months of experience could destroy - thank him for his time and leave.

If his students come from a variety of backgrounds or primarily security/military backgrounds - demonstrates economy of motion, makes every move count (or as deception, progressive indirect attack, attack by combination) and he's used his kung fu before (you can tell by rolling with him and talking with him) - you know he's legit.

Chances are he's really into his trade craft and loves nothing more than to work at it - so he's probably mixing with his students and loves training.

If the head instructor-head master is too busy to see you (assuming he isn't teaching class) walk out.

[jubaji]

It was his best post yet...

That's like saying, "it was the best smelling pile of shit ever." It's still shit.