whats your lineage???

[JadeDragon]

I got this idea to ask this question from another thread when a certain person refused to answer the question of who his teachers were and what was their lineage.

I'll start it with telling mine.....

My teacher is Master John Dufresne (8th level black sash). He studied under Great Grandmaster John Wing Lok Ng. The title of grandmaster was passed on to the new grandmaster of our system, Tim Pickens. Great Grandmaster John Ng learned his kung fu from his grandfather back in mainland China. His grandfather was a broom maker and taught their family's style of kung. I don't remember the name of the grandfather he learned it from though, the name slips my mind at the moment. During the cultural revolution martial arts were banned from being taught so GGM John Ng escaped mainland China with 9 others and came to the United States. GGM John Ng settled in Bowling Green, Ky where he attended Western Ky. University on a student visa and taught kung fu to a few locals and students to make some extra cash. This is where the first Four Seasons Kung Fu School was located before moving to Lexington, Ky.

What is everybody else's lineage??? And this thread was not started with the intentions of "calling people out" on their lineage or to argue with one another.

[jubaji]

I got this idea to ask this question from another thread when a certain person refused to answer the question of who his teachers were and what was their lineage.

tigerclown has already been banned.

[Ben Grimm]

He wouldn't answer anyway.

[futsaowingchun]

Mine can be found here..Lineage >> Fut Sao (Buddha Hand) Wing Chun

[cp36174]

Ours can be found at; Nam Yang Lineage

[jmd161]

I'm a closed door student of C.K. Woo, one of Grandmaster Wong Cheung's top students. Grandmaster Wong learned from Fung Ping-Wai who was a Shaolin monk that left the temple to return to a worldly life. Fung Ping Wai learned his Hak Fu Mun from another monk who learned from a Shaolin layman named Sam Tak. Sam Tak learned from Soo Hak Fu himself the creator of Hak Fu Mun.

Hak Fu Mun was created from 17 different styles that Soo Hak Fu learned while staying at Shaolin under the teaching of a monl named Zhao De.


jeff

[jubaji]

'Lineage' stuff is funny.

[george stando]

jmd161

Heard marvelous things about sifu ck woo. Actually one of my instructors vincent was one of the first americans to meet and train with sifu woo when he came to new york from HK, vincent is close friends with wayne who was one of sifu woos top students in new york at the time. Never met sifu woo but heard his conditioning was insane.

[jingxinyuan]

My lineage :

Jiu Wan to Jason Lau to Alan Goldberg.

Peace and Blessings,
Lin Ai Wei

[Ben Grimm]

Jiu Wan and Jason Lau are two very great Wing Chun stylists.

[WildWest.]

'Lineage' stuff is funny.

Indeed. It's seems to be a CMA thing. Why is it relevant?

[TTEscrima]

Indeed. It's seems to be a CMA thing. Why is it relevant?

Because so few people know the CMA's from Bullshit. If you have a clear lineage to inspect, it's quite easy to spot the posers and frauds.

Without that lineage if you have nothing to compare it to, you may waste years listening to some clown who had a few lessons in a park, or worse, he watched kung fu on TV and declared himself a master.

I remember nearly every Karate billboard school in the 60's became a Kung fu school in the 70's as they tried to fit the Kung Fu to their piss poor karate..by the 80's they were running ninja schools or kickboxing schools, today they're all teaching MMA.

A lineage tells you who taught them and what curriculum they should be familiar with, if they can't replicate and identify the lessons taught in the lineage you know you've popped another poser.

Posers are the only ones who mock a request for proof of where their skills came from, after all if they claim a lineage you can verify whether the forms and principles they're trying to pass are real or not.

You often hear people say "if it works, it doesn't matter where it came from". That's utter BS...just because something works doesn't mean its a legitimate technique from the style, it may well be a stolen technique from another style that may fit to a degree, but it is not the true art...all arts are not JKD, some have formats and lessons that form a map to take the stylist to a certain destination, without that map you're all over the place, and no longer teaching a legitimate TMA.

Bottom line if they claim CMA's and can't explain where they got the skills, then their abilities to demonstrate and discuss/teach are usually non existent (never mind the ability to defend themselves).

[kingoftheforest]

Indeed. It's seems to be a CMA thing. Why is it relevant?

Because certain teachers teach certain ways, and various concepts within their art.

They usually pass down what they know to the student that represents these concepts best in his art.

Certain people seek certain things. this points them in the direction.

IMO

[WildWest.]

Cool, thanks for the explanation guys.

So, someone like our good friend Bruce Downey, for example, would be considered a poser?

And a pretty chunky one at that!

[kingoftheforest]

Cool, thanks for the explanation guys.

So, someone like our good friend Bruce Downey, for example, would be considered a poser?

And a pretty chunky one at that!

There were more obvious things than lineage there.