whats your lineage???

[Tant01]

Because so few people know the CMA's from Bullshit. If you have a clear lineage to inspect, it's quite easy to spot the posers and frauds.

Without that lineage if you have nothing to compare it to, you may waste years listening to some clown ...
Posers are the only ones who mock a request for proof of where their skills came from, after all if they claim a lineage you can verify whether the forms and principles they're trying to pass are real or not.

You often hear people say "if it works, it doesn't matter where it came from". That's utter BS...just because something works doesn't mean its a legitimate technique from the style, it may well be a stolen technique from another style that may fit to a degree, but it is not the true art...all arts are not JKD, some have formats and lessons that form a map to take the stylist to a certain destination, without that map you're all over the place, and no longer teaching a legitimate TMA.

Bottom line if they claim CMA's and can't explain where they got the skills, then their ability to demonstrate and discuss/teach are as usually non existent (never mind the ability to defend themselves).

You rock TTE.

I'm on the total OPPOSITE end of this EXTREME.

I have no IDEA who the man was or his alleged LINEAGE that shared a few FUNDAMENTAL secrets with me.... Some QUIET little guy named Cardossa (Cardoza) , Jean... (john)....

Ring any bells Sailor man? (seriously) I'd give my right nut to know my so called "master"...

[TTEscrima]

You rock TTE.

I'm on the total OPPOSITE end of this EXTREME.

I have no IDEA who the man was or his alleged LINEAGE that shared a few FUNDAMENTAL secrets with me.... Some QUIET little guy named Cardossa (Cardoza) , Jean... (john)....

Ring any bells Sailor man? (seriously) I'd give my right nut to know my so called "master"...

I hear you man. I had an old Marine Marine "combat judo" instructor who went by Sarge...thats all I ever heard anyone call him including his wife.

When you're looking at external systems lineage is of little importance, the techniques are evident after all.

Get on the floor and see what he can do, to some extent that's still true in the internal arts, EXCEPT...the fact that he can kick your ass doesn't mean what he is teaching is anywhere near correct internally.

I've met some nasty fighters who claimed a KF lineage but were clearly getting by on the previous decades of external training they had beforehand.

When you prop an internal art with external skills, it looks like KF to someone who doesn't know any better but it's incorrect.

The internal arts are just refinements of the lessons learned in the external schools, you become more efficient.

Part of that efficiency is due to timing of movements so that one move creates the next in your own flow, this is always absent when people prop the art up.

They wind up with valid applications for a block, when it should have been a strike and a throw, or they have gaps in their timing that leaves holes you could drive a truck through.

Any grappler can tell you most people can't punch them with enough root and power to stop a takedown...people that can't punch for shit standing, punch even worse on the ground.

People without lineage to protect can teach you BS without costing the lineage face, this isn't so with the lineage teacher.

You won't carry the name of a good lineage if you don't reach their standards.

Find a TMA school that teaches all the ranges of fighting as well as the conditioning, the contact sparring, the drills etc that go along with the forms and you have a complete package.

IMO, JJJ is the only system that really comes close without cross training.

I think JJJ people will find quite a bit in common with a good Internal Stylist who has studied the CMA package of Taiji, Baqua, Hsin Yi and Shuai Chaio.

It's much easier to learn JJJ then add the internal arts and it makes much better fighters.

[jubaji]

People without lineage to protect can teach you BS without costing the lineage face, this isn't so with the lineage teacher.

Oh brother...



grow out the ponytail and fasten the frog buttons...

[Crushing Step]

Lineage is important, but not the be all end all. Int fact it still exists in external styles, though you typically don't get a pedigree that goes back forever... For example, someone spouts off at the mouth that they know BJJ, but they act like they don't know squat. The next thing you hear is someone asking "Where did you get your BJJ from?"

But true, stepping in the ring and showing what you got should solve any "my kung fu is better" arguments!