San Shou

[Tant01]

Exactly...

Bad Judo=Good Jujutsu.

Everything against the rules in Randori and a flagrant disregard for the safety of your training partners...

very good...

[kingoftheforest]

No, this is more opinion based on actual experience and not reading translated books in the playhouse in FL. This is based on meeting and training with plenty of SC folks in China and Judoka in Japan as well as other grapplers there and in the US. Everything that threatens your widdle ego isn't "bashing" you pathetic emo fool. I never have and never would say SC is crap or anything of the like. If you could wipe away the tears long enough to pay attention you'd see that I was talking about the relative abilities of actual folks I've met and not the intrinsic value of the arts themselves. You, on the other hand, talk about what you 'think' is 'viable' or 'legitimate.' If you don't like what my experiences have suggested to me, maybe you should get your hairdresser butt out of the playhouse and go have some of your own.



OR, just STFU

Keep repeating that shit all you want champ, it doesn't change a thing...

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[jubaji]

Keep repeating that shit all you want champ, it doesn't change a thing...

[kingoftheforest]

Spoken like someone who truly has no clue at all about who or what he is talking about...............................................



















again.

[jubaji]

I'd take that with a grain of salt. The techniques of SC are perfectly legitimate, so anyone claiming different either has no exposure, or they're simply bashing the people practicing the art. Considering the source is also critical. If anything I'd say SJ has more throws that I consider viable in the street than Judo.

This is just more CMA bashing from the same clown as always in spite of the fact he denies he does it.

No, this is more opinion based on actual experience and not reading translated books in the playhouse in FL. This is based on meeting and training with plenty of SC folks in China and Judoka in Japan as well as other grapplers there and in the US. Everything that threatens your widdle ego isn't "bashing" you pathetic emo fool. I never have and never would say SC is crap or anything of the like. If you could wipe away the tears long enough to pay attention you'd see that I was talking about the relative abilities of actual folks I've met and not the intrinsic value of the arts themselves. You, on the other hand, talk about what you 'think' is 'viable' or 'legitimate.' If you don't like what my experiences have suggested to me, maybe you should get your hairdresser butt out of the playhouse and go have some of your own.



OR, just STFU

[jubaji]

Good to know, especially since shuai jiao is not a well known grappling art.

Maybe because it's not well-known (if you see what I mean).

[TTEscrima]

When you do things with the intent to inflict serious trauma it's not really "judo" or it's just bad judo. BAD judo...

Bad Judo=Good Jujutsu.

[kingoftheforest]

When you do things with the intent to inflict serious trauma it's not really "judo" or it's just bad judo. BAD judo...

Bad Judo= Good SC

[Tant01]

Sacrafice throws...

Shuai Chiao isn't much different in theory and concept from other throwing arts but it tends to be executed with a different application and mindset:

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You will tend to see broken limbs and unconscious opponents unless the individual has been trained specifically in Shuai Chiao's breakfalls. SC breakfalls protect the centerline and decrease the chance of broken limbs and knockouts, whereas the typical slapping breakfall usually results in unconsciousness, broken arms, elbows and hands.

When you do things with the intent to inflict serious trauma it's not really "judo" or it's just bad judo. BAD judo...

[TTEscrima]

Good to know, especially since shuai jiao is not a well known grappling art.

I'd take that with a grain of salt. The techniques of SC are perfectly legitimate, so anyone claiming different either has no exposure, or they're simply bashing the people practicing the art. Considering the source is also critical. If anything I'd say SJ has more throws that I consider viable in the street than Judo.

This is just more CMA bashing from the same clown as always in spite of the fact he denies he does it.

[Tom Yum]

In theory. I've met few SCers who were compatible with similarly experienced judoka in actually pulling off what they intend to.

Good to know, especially since shuai jiao is not a well known grappling art.

[Sagacious Lu]

To tell you the truth, mostly by being thrown high and hard. Most folks who get anywhere with wrestling start when fairly young and over the years you just get thrown a bit harder and higher as your training partners and competitors get better and better you toughen up and develop a sense for it. I remember being told not to try and post an arm out to stop yourself when being thrown (you can imagine why) but not a lot of time was ever spent on "Today we teach you breakfalling!" in my experience. Some of it is common sense and a lot of it is 'taught' by the best teacher of all.

This was my experience. My wrestling coach didn't bring it up he just started us on drilling take-downs. By the time anyone got good enough to take someone down with authority everyone was used to hitting the ground.

[jubaji]

In theory. I've met few SCers who were compatible with similarly experienced judoka in actually pulling off what they intend to.

[TTEscrima]

Shuai Chiao isn't much different in theory and concept from other throwing arts but it tends to be executed with a different application and mindset:

Focused aggression and targeted violence set SC apart from the other throwing arts. SC practitioners throw their opponent onto the ground instead of dropping them as you usually see in throwing styles.

Shuai Chiao also seeks to isolate the limbs of the opponent in an effort to limit their ability to use them during breakfalls.

You will tend to see broken limbs and unconscious opponents unless the individual has been trained specifically in Shuai Chiao's breakfalls. SC breakfalls protect the centerline and decrease the chance of broken limbs and knockouts, whereas the typical slapping breakfall usually results in unconsciousness, broken arms, elbows and hands.

[jubaji]

Jubaji and TTE, how do wrestlers, more specifically, san shou fighters prepare for the rigors of being slammed/thrown high and hard?

To tell you the truth, mostly by being thrown high and hard. Most folks who get anywhere with wrestling start when fairly young and over the years you just get thrown a bit harder and higher as your training partners and competitors get better and better you toughen up and develop a sense for it. I remember being told not to try and post an arm out to stop yourself when being thrown (you can imagine why) but not a lot of time was ever spent on "Today we teach you breakfalling!" in my experience. Some of it is common sense and a lot of it is 'taught' by the best teacher of all.