San Shou

[kingoftheforest]

Jubaji and TTE, how do wrestlers, more specifically, san shou fighters prepare for the rigors of being slammed/thrown high and hard?

The most I've done was rolling, falling drills on the mat, usually as an excercise before sparring. Our coach demonstrated and watched us go through each fall/roll, gradually going from a higher 'jump' each time.

Jubaji - Care to explain in detail the types of breakfall drills?

TTE, other kinds of body conditioning, that kung fu is famous for?


Note for viewers: do not practice breakfall or conditioning drills unless under the supervision of a qualififed wrestling or gong-fu/sanshou instructor.

I can tell you we don't practice "break falls" Simply because a proper SJ throw will ruin whatever arm you place down to save yourself.

Ya gotta tuck and roll granny.

[Tom Yum]

Jubaji and TTE, how do wrestlers, more specifically, san shou fighters prepare for the rigors of being slammed/thrown high and hard?

The most I've done was rolling, falling drills on the mat, usually as an excercise before sparring. Our coach demonstrated and watched us go through each fall/roll, gradually going from a higher 'jump' each time.

Jubaji - Care to explain in detail the types of breakfall drills?

TTE, other kinds of body conditioning, that kung fu is famous for?


Note for viewers: do not practice breakfall or conditioning drills unless under the supervision of a qualififed wrestling or gong-fu/sanshou instructor.

[Tom Yum]

Its gonna be hard for san shou to compete with other combat sports venues for market share that are already established. Cung Le has done alot to market the sport and has even challenged Chinese middleweight Liu Hailong to a bout - that would be intense. U.S/Vietnamese vs. China theme.

San shou is illegal in certain states as well.

Its going to have more coverage overseas - Europeans love combat sports of all kinds, especially Eastern Europeans.

Africa as well - while that may sound funny, a little demographics research would explain...

Australia? hmmm - still big on K-1 but potential there as well.

[Sagacious Lu]

San shou is great stuff! I just wish it were more popular.

[jubaji]

. Getting taken down high and hard takes the wind out of you.

It can also take the fight out of someone not used to it.

[Hardball]

Traditional Japanese type breakfalls will not save you from SC throws, they require a completely different way of breakfalling.

That may be true, but at least you would have a chance. Getting thrown a lot and doing breakfalls toughens up your body.

[TTEscrima]

Yea, if you know how to fall. LOL A lot of martial artist don't know how to fall properly.

Traditional Japanese type breakfalls will not save you from SC throws, they require a completely different way of breakfalling.

[Hardball]

It's fun no matter where it happens!

Yea, if you know how to fall. LOL A lot of martial artist don't know how to fall properly.

[Tom Yum]

The higher and harder the takedown, the more impressive - sort of follows the same rules and scoring as Freestyle wrestling. Getting taken down high and hard takes the wind out of you, especially if you land on a weak spot of the body or if you land head first....also, just like wrestling - you can get taken down with someone driving into your solar plexus - there goes your wind and your will to fight.

As I understand it, shuaijiao (Chinese wrestling) was influenced by the mongolians
YouTube - Tuvinian wrestling

The fighters separate after the takedown, just like in the San Shou matches.

San Shou is also heavily influenced by muaythai - huge boxing component and use of the thai round kick, push kick. However, they use the side kick, hook kick and spinning kicks and spinning backfists from generic gong fu styles - some of the knockouts in the vid were from hook kicks and spinning kicks alike.

Hopefully, someone on here with more expertise in shuai jiao or gong-fu can contribute more on the subject.

[jubaji]

It happens on the street.

It's fun no matter where it happens!

[Hardball]

Wow...that would be unpleasant to be body slammed like that. It's almost like someone picking up you and throwing you out the window like a rag doll.

It happens on the street.

[Hardball]

What do you guys think?

It's Cueng Le's Art.

[Tant01]

"unpleasant" is a nice way to put it...

Wow...that would be unpleasant to be body slammed like that. ....

Ya think?

[Laura]

Wow...that would be unpleasant to be body slammed like that. It's almost like someone picking up you and throwing you out the window like a rag doll.

[kingoftheforest]

As I understand it, San shou (free fighting) is a combat sport developed by kung fu practitioners. It looks like a mix of international style kickboxing (kicks to the leg) and shuajiao (free style wresting).

An example of a sanshou championship
YouTube - 2003 San Shou World Championship Highlights


Points are scored by landing kicks, punches, knees and takedowns. Fights can be won by points, TKO or KO.

I have practiced San Shou. The big difference between it and muaythai are the takedowns. Getting taken down takes the wind out of you! If you have a boxing, muaythai or wrestling background it would be helpful - but not necessary.

I think its a good element for kung fu practitioners to toughen up, work in a real time environment and compete with modern combat athletes in addition to their forms, self-defense, healing arts etc.

What do you guys think?

Nice find.