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[Da Pope]

What about not uncrossing them at all?

Why give your opponent such a massive advantage?

I want my arms free to cover as much range as possible for instance how are you gonna cover a jab followed with a shot at the floating ribs with your arms crossed.................your just not simple.

[mellow]

ok fair enough but try the same thing with folded arms and not having them crossed. same effect but you have more of your reaction time left.

and with me with my hands up, it does depend on what i do with them, my demeanour the words and tone in my voice and the look in my eyes as to how the opponent feels. if done right most people have no idea what you are doing and think that you are just talking

Don't knock it until you try it. I found I can whip out hammerfists, backfists, knifehands, and even a 4 inch blade in both the standard and reverse grips just as fast as any hand position I've tried. The thing is it looks like your arms are tied up, it's a rather deceptive position.

Personally I really like the elbow work. I've found that even if you screw up there is a good chance you can catch their punches on your elbows (oh, so sorry!)

[kingoftheforest]

ok fair enough but try the same thing with folded arms and not having them crossed. same effect but you have more of your reaction time left.

What about not uncrossing them at all?

[Da Pope]

they must sure be proud of you.

I doubt it as I no longer train there and my initial repsonse to this thread was erroneous as I thought KOTF was doing Wing hun so I put down my lineage in that art.

I am in NO WAY a representative for ANY Wing Chun school

[Movement]

ok fair enough but try the same thing with folded arms and not having them crossed. same effect but you have more of your reaction time left.

and with me with my hands up, it does depend on what i do with them, my demeanour the words and tone in my voice and the look in my eyes as to how the opponent feels. if done right most people have no idea what you are doing and think that you are just talking

[kingoftheforest]

then why cross your arms and reduce that precious time you have to react????

Because if I'm standing in front of you with my arms loosely crossed and I am under the impression your going to attack, as soon as you move all I have to do is step in and uncross my arms. If your waving your hands in front of me, even controlled, my threat assessment is going to be higher. At any time one of those waves could become a strike.

If I'm the twitchy sort that may get you prematurely smack, and isn't helping any to deescalate or calm the other person down.

Any attack you throw will be picked off because I am eating the space you need to launch the attack.

I think you are discounting the fact that I won't be standing still in front of you when this happens.

I guess we may have to agree to disagree here.

i don't see how to verbally explain it any better, and I think the vid covers it pretty good. I'm not trying to be rude but this seems like it is starting to circle, then we will just be chasing our tails.

[Movement]

then why cross your arms and reduce that precious time you have to react????

[kingoftheforest]

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my problem has more to do with reaction time then anything else

This is an important part of any type of fighting.

[Movement]

not so much waving, too un-controlled. but yes gesturing

yes i do agree with one folded and one on the chin, used to use that alot when i was bouncing, but not in the way you are showing, more as an instant defensive reaction to some tool throwing a sneak attack out.

my problem has more to do with reaction time then anything else

[kingoftheforest]

having your attacking tools online to attack is one thing but trapping your own arms in by crossing them is a problem in my eyes, but i'm one of these people who use body language in a conflict so i tend to keep my arms raised ready to go without making it look like i am ready for any thing. my guard is up and attacking tools are online, i have also the option of creating a distance if need be.

again you know me no offence intended, just discussing my point of view

No offense taken.

Are you moving your arms when they are raised? Gesticulating? Waving them?

What about the position of one hand on the chin the other across the chest?

What about the fact when the arms uncross they both move through the space needed for the attack to come in a natural flowing movement?

the arms uncross using the "flinch" reflex. Instead of moving back and away with the initial "twitch" it is used to power the unload of your arms.

[Movement]

having your attacking tools online to attack is one thing but trapping your own arms in by crossing them is a problem in my eyes, but i'm one of these people who use body language in a conflict so i tend to keep my arms raised ready to go without making it look like i am ready for any thing. my guard is up and attacking tools are online, i have also the option of creating a distance if need be.

again you know me no offence intended, just discussing my point of view

[kingoftheforest]

It's a variation of an old KF set up called "Old Man with pipe and cane".

It's been around for a while and I have seen variations in other arts.

I don't understand how having your weapons online with your opponent but in a relaxed state, is any less advantageous than holding them up in front of your face and cluing your attacker in.

What would you advocate as opposed to this position?


Just so I have a reference to what your thought process would be.

[Movement]

folding of the arms prior to attacking

[mellow]

What concept are you talking about?

[Movement]

wow i really don't agree with this concept, i'm sorry I mean no offence again

first of all I can see that even in a practice setting you have hindered yourself and increased the time it takes for you to execute the techniques.
I have actually been attacked like this whilst working a night club door, and I found this incredibly easy to see coming, all I needed to do was faint then jab, the guy was not intox he was banned from the venue the previous week for sexual harassment of one of the bar girls.

in my personal opinion i can see this as been dangerous either for the one executing it of some poor sap who has never had any training or fight experience.

but in saying that it probably has worked for you in the past seeing as we have had a similar background.